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Irene Balas's avatar

They need to bring back ALL who were sent there!!

Lisa's avatar

Agree - sending anyone to a torture prison is unconstitutional - 8th amendment

Annie D Stratton's avatar

It's incomplete. People go missing in Vermont all the time. Yes ICE is involved but somehow these people don't make it onto public records.

Charles Bastille's avatar

Yeah, I can’t attest to the completeness/incompleteness of it. I would think that it is impossible for anyone to maintain a complete list.

Julie A DeSisto's avatar

So tired of the BS. It wrong, they admitted they were wrong, they were told to bring him back, told a second time and once again they pull out the delay tactic. People are really getting tired of this crap! Just Do your jobs!!!

Kevin's avatar

We don't know - getting that kind of information is part of what the judge's orders are all about.

Personally, I think this is indeed a good questions. Kilmar Armando Abrego García is a citizen of El Salvador who came to the US for protection from persecution. Sending him to a prison in the very country he fled from does not look good. Even more so because there have been reports that the Salvadorean President has requested specific names to be sent to his prison.

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Annie D Stratton's avatar

That does not even surprise me. But the thing is, it wasn't necessarily his fault. This whole thing grew out of an illegal out-of-control administrative farce that came straight out of Trump/Doge. The rest just played out.

Tony Walsh's avatar

it sickens me that this vile act has been perpetrated by the US Government. EVERYBODY should be protesting this act, because if this is allowed to stand it won't be long before they are coming for YOU!

Charles Bastille's avatar

To borrow loosely from Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Venezuelan

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Venezuelan

Then they came for the Salvadorans

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Salvadoran

Then they came for the journalists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a journalist

Then they came for Tony Walsh

And I did not speak out

Because I was not Tony Walsh.

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

Sandy Driscoll's avatar

Someone said... Democracy does not defend itself'.

Becky Daiss's avatar

Roberts is in a bind. His right wing single minded pursuit of a unitary executive didn't leave much room for ambiguity or nuance. But nothing prepared him for unitary executive trump. He's had to get desperately creative to keep from being totally undermined by the form of government he thought he wanted.

pts's avatar

Further, if the increasingly feckless Roberts is tap-dancing around a confrontation with the régime (I refuse to call it an administration) because he's afraid he -- SCOTUS, representing what remains of the rule of law -- will lose, then he's already lost. Whatever matter comes before SCOTUS, its legal sophistry will inevitably leave the side door open for so the régime can always slither away from meaningful compliance with the law.

For this we can point to Leonard Leo, Mitch McConnell, and decades of dark money invested in capturing our country's political and court systems.

Jay Kuo's avatar

I’m afraid we are seeing this play out in real time

pts's avatar

You and me both, brother. It will not lead to a good place, at least not if democracy and human rights are part of the equation.

Kim's avatar

We're talking about human rights. The fact that these SCOTUS justices have a hard time with that is unfathomable. Yet, here we are. Things are going downhill fast.

Chris Ortolano's avatar

I hate to say this, and I hope I'm wrong, but I think he's dead. And the government knows it. Sending him back to El Salvador would be a death sentence; putting him in a prison with members of the gang who want him dead almost guarantees it.

Sandra Blair's avatar

I'm afraid I have the same thought. They are fighting too hard to avoid bringing him home and if we found out he's already dead, that opens the door to a massive lawsuit by his family.

Commonsense's avatar

Bingo. I wonder about that too (but I'm hoping really hard it isn't and by some stroke of luck it won't be). I agree that the gov't certainly wouldn't want him to recount all the dirty deeds they committed to get him and others there. You know, the only thing making this foreign jail site work is that, so far, no one has come up with a much more impressive lump of money, in one shot, to release them than this $6 million a year to maintain them. For the Salvadorans, it's up for the highest / smartest bidder. It's all about money for them.

I also wonder if this "foreign country disappearing" sponsored by the US gov't is concerning to our servicemembers who are serving overseas?

I hope newspapers and magazines will put his picture on the front pages/covers with write-ups. Keep him in the news - that's how we keep the pressure on.

Charles Bastille's avatar

Not just that, but there probably ARE some bad guys in that place. And by now, they are running things.

Kevin's avatar

And on top of that, there were reports that the Salvadorean President has specifically selected the names of the people he wanted sent to that prison.

Riversong Pond's avatar

I saw this mentioned in a comment above as well. Can you cite where these reports can be found?

Kevin's avatar

When I wrote that this morning, I didn't remember the source, but just found it. It's CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/americas/el-salvador-shares-gang-intel-with-us-intl-latam/index.html

From the article: “We raise our hands and say, ‘Look, this guy,’” the country’s Security and Justice Minister Gustavo Villatoro said in an exclusive interview with CNN. Asked if that meant the country specified which individuals it wanted deported, he said, “Yes … it’s not random.”

Michael T's avatar

I have same fear. I want to know what, if any, repercussions would this Gov’t & DOJ & ICE face?

Lance Khrome's avatar

Roberts essentially removed Judge Xinis' "deadline", eliminating any possibility of holding the govt, in contempt, so, restart the clock. But factually, all this critically depends upon "good faith" — i.e., the assumption of regularity — on the part of DHS, and we know that is wholly lacking, and to which the Scotus per curiam decision ignored.

Let's be realistic here, and posit that after yet more to-ing and fro-ing, and yet more time passing, the govt. makes some half-arsed "request" to the Salvadoran authorities to "facilitate" the release of Mr Abrego Garcià to custody of a US representative, preparatory to a flight back home. But wait, El Salvador responds that he "can't be located immediately", and the prison system "needs more time" to properly ascertain Abrego Garcià's whereabouts and physical condition. OK, says tRump, take your time, it's your country and your prison system, we've done what we've ordered to do, case closed.

Basically, DHS doesn't want the man returned under any circumstance, as that opens the door to hundreds of more potentially successful challenges, killing the whole "black site" rendition program, a line drawn firmly by tRump, and unlikely to be crossed, IMHO.

Regrettably, Mr Abrego Garcià is toast, along with the other 200+ Venezuelans disappeared to CECOT.

Kathi Ruel's avatar

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VT_Maid's avatar

It also opens the door to first hand, in person reports to the press and the public of both the conditions in the prison and the identity of at least some of the people in there. I can't imagine the regime being in favor of this "transparency".

Commonsense's avatar

Yes, I agree with you. Scotus intentionally neutralized any time requirement in the trial court's Order when they took their time to respond after receiving trump's appeal. It was either Abrego Garcia's security or theirs. They chose their own because they can. The fastest way to have passively and fairly dealt with this clear-cut egregious misuse of power (by the DHS, not the trial judge) was to just refuse to hear the case. But, instead, their cowardice and dishonesty are going to ensure they're kept in the news cycle when the case inevitably arrives right back at their door again. If they decide to hear it then, they'll then have to choose between the Constitution and (yet again) a clearly wrong trump.

At this point, their apathetic actions are ethically questionable because of how obviously wrong the gov't actions are - an admitted gov't mistake, unconstitutional - no due process, clearly this person's life has been placed at risk, and yet Scotus isn't showing proper "deference" for the Constitution, or a human life they've intentionally kept in harm's way. It's too bad that they're aware there just aren't enough votes in the House or Senate to impeach them. Several of them certainly should undergo that process for the good of our government. Perhaps Doge should pay them a visit?

The Friday hearing before Judge Xinis to attempt to get information about where Abrego Garcia is, was pretty shocking. The gov't lawyer had no evidence as to the whereabouts of Abrego Garcia and the judge remarked that the gov't had done nothing to facilitate his return. The gov't is still required to file daily reports due by 5pm every day reporting: (1) What the current physical location of Abrego Garcia is, (2) What is his custodial status, and (3) What steps the gov't has taken to facilitate his return. There was a report due this past Friday (the 11th). See doc #59, filed on Friday, where the gov't provides no info (surprise!). Here's a link to the case docket so you can follow it yourself (if they're filed): https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-v-noem/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

As of Friday, Trump was quoted as saying he'd return Abrego Garcia, if Scotus asked him to do so. All they have to do is tell him to do so - so, what's so hard about taking him up on a published statement? Obviously he won't have a problem with that. I think he's aware of people being upset and watching this incident - making him look really bad - wonder if he orders it himself? I hope reporters keep asking him about it.

Link to the Friday, 4-11-25, CNN story: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/politics/kilmar-abrego-garcia-hearing/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

Lance Khrome's avatar

"As of Friday, Trump was quoted as saying he'd return Abrego Garcia, if Scotus asked him to do so."

Big ask of the Supremes, since they already conceded his unreviewable rôle in foreign policy questions, tRump knows that, so it's a meaningless statement. Basically, Mr Abrego Garcià is done for, if in fact he's still alive.

cheryl gilhooley's avatar

IS THIS WHO WE ARE? That our government is now finding every excuse in their “tool kit” to prevent an innocent man imprisoned in a foreign land due to an administrative error, from returning to his home? What has happened to our country?!

Annie D Stratton's avatar

I hate to break this to you, but this is what the US has always been. Just now it is coming home.

Kathleen Fernandez's avatar

They don't believe he is innocent, or even a human being.

Lance Khrome's avatar

*Korematsu* and Japanese internment during WWII was a benchmark for "who we are", and that same vindictive, due process-free mentality has surfaced yet again here in the US. Remember Bush and torture at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, "black sites" round the world? Also indicative of "who we are", so let's just get real and accept the tRump excesses as further illustrations of "who we are"...QED.

The Creamers's avatar

This should be so simple. It’s outrageous that it even went to the Supreme Court. How can anyone argue this is in accordance with our laws, let alone in any way be humane.

You got her title wrong. It’s Kristi Noem, Disaster of Homeland Security

Charles Bastille's avatar

There are two components to this. One, Garcia is probably already dead, and they're delaying because of that. Two, they want to establish precedent for being able to expand this policy so that you and I and everyone else they wish to do the same to can be gathered off the streets and sent to this camp or others offshore.

If the Supreme Court's conservative justices really want this, they may want to remember the Jacobins.

Riversong Pond's avatar

Personally, I think it’s premature to write this young man off as dead without evidence. Doing so makes it easier to define efforts on his behalf as futile and therefore less important. Let’s stick with assertions that are based in evidence.

Charles Bastille's avatar

He was sent to a place where 200 inmates, not a small number of whom are violent, share a cell with metal beds and no linens, according to reliable reporting. The word “probably” is not intended to suggest a sure thing. It means that the chances are better than 50-50, and that is an accurate appraisal of the situation.

Riversong Pond's avatar

Thanks, Charles. I recognize the danger he's in. I know people who have been inside those prisons as chaplains. However his potential death is still speculation. It's important not to diminish the urgency of using every means available to get him back.

Charles Bastille's avatar

Also, check out the article I posted this morning on my Substack. I'm doing what little I can on my end.

Charles Bastille's avatar

We have slightly different perspectives on this, but that’s okay. I appreciate yours with all earnesty.

Sara Woody's avatar

So really, this is a hollow SCOTUS ruling and Garcia will likely die in El Salvador. I am sick to my stomach at this injustice, compounded with every other injustice heaped upon the growing mound of abuse, cruelty, and hypocrisy that is this administration - completely lacking in morals and humanity.

Commonsense's avatar

I think this is inevitably going back to scotus and then they'll be forced to either rule for the Constitution or their own security and well-being. It'll be like this past July's unimaginable immunity ruling - clearly trump's act was unconstitutional but, their security so is much more important than any old constitution.

Lady Emsworth's avatar

What nonsense to say "Oh, we can't get him back!"

This government is VERY fond of playing games with semantics and legal rulings.

So why shouldn't we try playing one back?

When they say they CAN'T get Albrego back, someone should accuse him of a crime, say, breaking and entering. After all, that's what he was deported for, being a "criminal". The they should demand that the government invoke the 1995 extradition treaty THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITH EL SALVADOR and tell them we want this "dangerous criminal" back to face the consequences.

Then - charges dropped, problem solved. . .

Linda Shapiro's avatar

I hope Abrego García‘s lawyer reads Jay’s post and quotes it in upcoming briefing and arguments before the District Court

Ada Fuller's avatar

These judges and justices might want to consider — what if the Trump cabal grabbed me at an event and hustled me out of the country. Think how many opponents of Putin stood too close to open windows. We — talking to you Congress — need to take action before it’s too late.

Lady Emsworth's avatar

I'm sure there are SO many Dem. pols that trump would like to do this to! - AOC and Jamie Raskin spring to mind. . .

Mary Nallan's avatar

No one would care, you are not a billionaire.

Granny Kate's avatar

Hmm, it seems that the US taxpayers are paying around $26,000 per person for 12 months to government of El Salvador. In return we get inhumane treatment of prisoners in a forced labor camp and no recourse to due process. Money plus slave labor is good deal for El Salvador. What do we get? Unconstitutional maneuvers by Trump regime to score political points, to fulfill Trump’s “desires” and (most dangerous) to ignore and disregard for rule of law. Have we Americans lost all sense of decency and shame? We need to ask ourselves every day, “What are I doing to change this?”

Commonsense's avatar

I think a lot of us are stunned by how the resources of our gov't are being misused. There are some people that might not be in the know or are apathetic. But when these evil, dishonest people hold all the levers and intentionally drive the wrong way, we don't have enough experience or as deep a bench of resources as someone who has taken over the country. It doesn't mean that we aren't going to change it, just that we have to have more time and experiences with it to figure out what can stymy their actions and then them.

D Epp's avatar

A bit off-topic, but I wonder at the unholy amount of money Trump's government is wasting (again!) to fight things in courts. This is your taxpayer money.

Commonsense's avatar

Oh yeah, no worries there. So far, with the five or six huge DC lawfirms, trump has now blackmailed he's racked up a total of about $990 million (that's almost a billion) in free legal representation. This can be applied to him, even once he's not president any longer, or to his cabinet members who need it. In return, he's instructed the gov't to drop a bunch of gov't agency actions against them (sounds like a bribe to me). So, I imagine (but don't know for certain) that these firms won't be able to do any pro bono work for people whom trump doesn't approve of or are wrongfully prosecuted (which they had been doing before this). I wonder how the American and DC Bar Associations feel about this? There are a few firms who are fighting him and have won TRO's but quite a few are capitulating and making that total dollar figure continue to grow. I wouldn't be inclined to work at a firm that did that. What will you have to agree to do/not do next? So, this, and potentially the DC Bar Association becoming stacked with trump and bondi allies, the trump administration doesn't have to worry about doing anything personally wrong or professionally unethical or just plain illegal - there's more than enough legal firepower and he's still going after more. We'll know sometime after June 4th when the DC Bar Association election concludes. He can go back to them if he needs more because he knows what they are. So do we.

Molly McCluer's avatar

An unavoidable showdown will come soon, and the Court should go ahead and face up to it. Even if Trump defies them, it will strip him of what little legitimacy he has, despite his questionable election count and lack of unanimity. Dragging it out, splitting hairs out of cowardice, is a form of giving in, of accommodation.