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Linda Weide's avatar

What might be helpful is if there were an organization dedicated to listing each person that is taken by ICE and the circumstances. This is important to document for now and for history. It also means we can let the people know. Hearing abstractly how awful it is, does not have the same impact as when I read the individual cases.

It will also be important to stopping ICE and Trump and his henchmen and women.

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Joelle Greig's avatar

Henchmen - STEPHEN MILLER. He is the head of all that's going on. He wants 3,000 brown-skinned people, regardless of citizenship status, to reach his monthly quota of one million detainees.

STEPHEN MILLER is a wanna-be Heinrich Himmler. <~~~was in charge of setting up concentration/detention camps. He was in charge of the Final Solution. The first camp, Dachau (I visited twice), nearby Munich/south of Ulm, actually was built in '33, I believe. It was initially used for political prisoners. STEPHEN MILLER cannot do this here because of our Constitution. Hence, why, if he wants to make people disappear, they are transported overseas to a Gulag-style prison camp.

All this, as it progresses towards summer, is going to outrage more and more Americans. What's frightening is that many are going to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to arm themselves. Right now, why STEPHEN MILLER's FAKE ICE THUGS are armed in the same way our military was when in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why here? If I somehow "mistakenly" got caught in the fray of THUGS attempting to detain someone, I would dare them to shoot me. "You're carrying big guns to make up for the lack of size of your p****! So, shoot me. I effing dare you!" And yes, I will wear my T-shirt identifying me as a veteran. I'm not so delusional as to think I would be exempt. But I would egg them on by asking if they served and why weren't they honoring their oath. Yes, I know it's what I so badly want to do, but will not deliberately go and find these THUGS kidnapping innocent American citizens.

It is so hard to ignore because it's so painful to watch. It's time for action.

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maggie towne's avatar

Evil incarnate

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Linda Weide's avatar

Stephen Miller is a Himmler type. I have heard that Miller slips into Trumps bedroom at night to make sure he is the last person Trump hears on a matter because we know the Trump is affected by those who speak last. The law of Recency it is called.

I don't actually think he does this, but Miller is controlling a lot more than Trump is aware of, it seems to me. These ICE thugs must be brought to justice along with Miller, Noem and Trump.

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Charles Bastille's avatar

I think I may have seen something like this by one of the immigration support groups. Unfortunately, I didn't preserve the link. I'll see if I can find it or something similar. I'd honestly be surprised if one of these amazing organizations isn't tracking it, but also, it can't be easy.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Thanks Charles. That would be great. It should also be sent out to organizations and perhaps select media, like The Guardian.

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Victoria Woodhead's avatar

Are the general public fully aware of these monster problems & potentially harmful laws & actions- And are they aware & devoted to helping change the current landscape, for the good of America?

If they are not, I suggest we pound it into their brains daily or hourly until they get it!!!

We HAVE TO DO THIS!!

There’s NO other option!

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Charles Bastille's avatar

Most people don't like the *tactics,* but a majority of people are in favor of immigration controls.

I'm with Ronald Reagan on this topic. Anybody who is here and hasn't committed a crime should be allowed to stay. But the pervasive and never ending propaganda of the right wing has had an effect on the majority of Americans, and I've talked to many Dems who also say things like, "we need some sort of controls."

So we've sort of lost that battle for hearts and minds. Republicans are doing a decent job of maybe turning that battle around in our favor, but first we need people to understand that no, no, no, their rents are not affected by any influx of immigrants. They're affected by private equity owning massive amounts of private property and using it as an investment vehicle.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Ronald Reagan (who was the worst president before Trump, because he did evil effectively) would be too liberal for MAGA.

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Charles Bastille's avatar

Reagan’s assault upon us was so thorough that the pendulum swung to the point where, if you dropped Obama into the 1970s by a helicopter time machine, he’d be a moderate Republican in the mold of Everett Dirksen or Charles Percy.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Agreed. He was the worst president because he had a chance to turn the fossil fuels industry around, they were willing to look into investing in other sources of fuel once they were told by scientists what the problem was, and he told them not to worry, someone into he future could solve the problem. Instead he put an industry insider into the EPA. So, similarly awful appointments, spreading of the fake neoliberal libertarian economic trickle down theory, and incompetents and crooks in his administration was part of what made him awful. Also, Nancy tried to hide his dementia. That was Kakistocracy, and this is Kakistocracy too. When will Americans learn that hiring actors, who play a role in films and on tv is not the same as electing people who are competent in real life.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Agreed. I think a database of stories will put a human face on this tactic of Trump which people are seeing looks different than they envisioned. The more they can see it, the better.

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LT's avatar

...the dragnet nature and no due process is horrific, the disregard for 1st amendment rights, the face masks...I mean, MSM is egregiously complicit. They are silent.

We Substack-reading people are very much aware; my heart aches and my head pounds with rage and frustration that the general public are not remotely aware of the real scope and nature of these raids, etc. America is a spoiled and entitled country. I hope this is changing.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Thank you for sharing this. I will pass it on.

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Phyllis Logan's avatar

Migrants are passing the word to their families, don't go to the U.S. - go to Spain, where asylum seekers are welcome and have no fear being abducted by ICE bullies. Spain promotes diversity, equity and inclusion, and is proving migration is paying huge dividends in economic growth. Ibra Bayane, a Senegalese immigrant said, "My life is better now - I can live."

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Phyllis Logan's avatar

What an eye-opener - extremely instructive and helpful! Thank you Linda!

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Linda Weide's avatar

Thanks Phyllis. Please pass it on if you think it could help someone.

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Phyllis Logan's avatar

Yes, of course.

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PK's avatar

Try tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.html but that’s general information nationwide

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Linda Weide's avatar

Thanks. I guess what I want is a list of names, ages, where they are from where they are being detained, where they are sent to, etc...

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The Political Pilot's avatar

Im sure Palantir has that data

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Linda Weide's avatar

That is what I was thinking because I have read it. Cannot remember which substack, but Zev Shalev comes to mind.

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G Chabraya's avatar

I agree. Good idea.

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Maya J's avatar

It is super important to document the detainees and deported. In other dictatorships the disappeared have never been named or found. In Nazi Germany they were obsessive about documenting those they sent to the camps. I was able to find records of several of my relatives, decades later. It is extremely important that those kidnapped are kept tracked of and, I really pray, will get justice.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Exactly Maya. It is also important that this information gets out. It makes the people real to those who callously disregard the devastating effects this has. Look how effective the hue and cries about Kilmar Abrego Garcia were. He is released. His trials are not over, but he is back in the US, and out on bail.

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Maya J's avatar

Yes Linda. Saying their names as individuals is important. It makes it much harder to ignore the injustices bring perpetrated against people when you have to confront their humanity.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Maya, someone shared this link with me. It does show names where they are known. Finding these names of the unknown ones would be important if one can.

Here is a United States disappeared people tracker. https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/danielleharlow/viz/UnitedStatesDisappearedTracker/Map

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Maya J's avatar

Thank you!

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Elizabeth Winthrop Alsop's avatar

Totally agree.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

How is it legal for unidentified personnel without warrants to arrest people? Already there are reports of sexual predators impersonating ICE agents to try and arrest women. Damn, the Constitution has been violated en masse to an extent not seen since 1942 when Japanese Americans were forced into detention centers

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Jay Kuo's avatar

This is a fairly new and untested area of the law. Officials have at times worn masks when conducting very high level arrests where identification could result in retaliation. But having an entire agency hide itself in this manner is unprecedented. I’m not sure there’s a law specifically against it. But it should be high on the list of priorities of any future Democratic trifecta.

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Island Girl's avatar

Since when can government officials, who are paid with our tax dollars refuse to identify themselves and wear masks? They work for us!!

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HI2thDoc's avatar

There’s speculation that the ICE goons are MAGA racists under contract. They aren’t gubmint employees officially

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Megan Rothery's avatar

This is wild. 😢 I don’t have words.

So, my normal -

Call. Write. Email. Protest. Unrelentingly.

Use/share this spreadsheet as a resource to call/email/write members of Congress, the Cabinet and news organizations. Reach out to those in your own state, as well as those in others. Use your voice and make some “good trouble” ❤️‍🩹🤍💙

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13lYafj0P-6owAJcH-5_xcpcRvMUZI7rkBPW-Ma9e7hw/edit?usp=drivesdk

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Phyllis Logan's avatar

Thanks as always, Megan.

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Megan Rothery's avatar

Thank YOU for being aware and active right now!

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Laura Payette's avatar

Thank you for making it so easy to reach out.

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Megan Rothery's avatar

You’re welcome! Thanks for speaking up right now!

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G Chabraya's avatar

Thank you

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Megan Rothery's avatar

You’re welcome! Thanks for using your voice right now!

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Angelica Jayne Taggart's avatar

This statement pisses me off! “A week is sufficient to ensure no intrusion on the president’s constitutional authority.” To me, he has NO constitutional authority as he refuses to abide by it, and has said, and acts, like he wants to get rid of it. He swore to honor it when he took office, and then immediately began to ignore it. Impeach him!

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Pam McCullough's avatar

It pissed me off too. As well as the statement "anti-American DEI policies".... DEI is what makes this country, Every time I see or hear that I literally scream.

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Nancy J Waters's avatar

That's why they do it. It is deliberate provocation. They say false, outrageous, terrifying things as part of their psy ops strategy to destabilize and demoralize us.

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maggie towne's avatar

And PISS us OFF!!

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Pam McCullough's avatar

Sad but true.

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Doreen Dalesandro's avatar

Ahh, but remember, agent orange never put his hand on the Bible, so he technically never swore to uphold the Constitution. I think that should invalidate his presidency🧐

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G Chabraya's avatar

👍👍

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Judy Shaffer's avatar

This was a chilling read. The malevolence of this administration is breathtaking. I see Stephen Miller's fingerprints all over this.

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Phyllis Logan's avatar

Yes, the stench of Stephen -

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Doyle K's avatar

Of all the illegal stuff the Trump administration is doing, ICE is hardest for me to understand how any of it is happening in the United States.

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Phil Brennan's avatar

And they are being denied Due Process! I'm Disgusted that there isn't more Outrage and Intervention by the Federal Judiciary!

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Nancy J Waters's avatar

To some extent, ICE is the result of the trauma the nation suffered on 9/11, which is still playing out.

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CatChex's avatar

Our take is that when the name "Homeland Security" was created - it should have triggered more alarm bells for everyone.

The "Homeland" ... ugh

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Neita Oates's avatar

To Doyle - it is sad to see us going down the path of many countries in the past. I want to say “blame a lazy and disconnected electorate” but I have a feeling that no matter what, they were ready to succeed in their coup this time. They have succeeded. As Jay said; “it’s going to get worse”. 😢

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Lisa's avatar

So to be clear, ice rounds up "illegals" who were contributing to society and the economy and puts them in concentration camps, paid for by the US taxpayers? Indefinitely? This is insanity on so many levels.

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Jay Kuo's avatar

So. Many.

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Terry's avatar

This is what happens when nazis are in charge

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maggie towne's avatar

And what does a three-year-old girl in foster care have to do with all of this? They snagged her two or three nights ago.!!!

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Lisa's avatar

These stories need to get out on Substacks as we’re all getting connected now. It’s absolutely despicable. We are the “Survival of the Fittest” crowd. Let’s start acting like it! Enough of the stupid people dictating our lives and the lives of our fellow Americans, and Latinos are Americans! America is not a race, it’s a culture of diversity. Good grief.

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G Chabraya's avatar

Exactly. It is 100% self defeating. But you have to bear in mind that DDT is all about personal power & he is a saddest. He grifts wherever he’s able. But his main goal is to subjugate people & have them. bend the knee. He is Nero incarnate.

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Mark Steinberg's avatar

To be expected from Dictator Don, Reichsminister Miller and their mincing minions. It makes my blood boil.

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BlkCaliGirl's avatar

Ethnic Cleansing in AmeriKKKa.

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Heidi Glow's avatar

🥲

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G Chabraya's avatar

😱😭

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Charles Bastille's avatar

Sorry for the link, but y'all need some related satire:

https://www.ruminato.com/p/this-review-of-two-weeks-later-might

As for the meat of this article, thanks, Jay. It's dystopian fiction come to life, with a level of detail I'd rather close my eyes to, but can't.

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Doreen Dalesandro's avatar

That is hysterical🤣 Thanks, Charles, for the link. It made my day!

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Charles Bastille's avatar

Thanks! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I have to laugh to avoid crying. :-) That’s one reason I love Skeets and Giggles so much!

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Heidi Glow's avatar

Very disturbing.

How can there not be oversight? 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Jay Kuo's avatar

It’s part of a pattern. Trump has eliminated watchdogs and oversight across the government, fired inspector generals, and gotten rid of consumer safety agencies.

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Doreen Dalesandro's avatar

He learned one thing from his first term: hire only those who vow absolute loyalty to him.

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HarrisWalz FTW 2024's avatar

😢

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G Chabraya's avatar

👍👍

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Reluctant Prophet's avatar

Stop calling it the Big Beautiful Bill. You’re just reenforcing Trump’s messaging. Call it the “Big Butt-Ugly Bill” or something equivalent.

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Jay Kuo's avatar

I always use it in a mocking tone.

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maggie towne's avatar

“TheMurder Bill”

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Terry's avatar

the big 2x4 coming for your ass very soon...

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Reluctant Prophet's avatar

???

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Lee Johnson's avatar

Perhaps this is too simple minded, but-

"That bill contains a funding increase for ICE of $27 billion dollars, or 10,000 more ICE officers."

implies that each ICE officer costs $2.7 million (over the next 5 years per the linked "American Prospect" article) or $540,000 per year for each ICE agent. Talk about "Fraud, Waste & Abuse" ... on steroids.

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Pam McCullough's avatar

And how many of those 10,000 come from his pardoned J6 list? I mean I think we all already know he's got some of them involved. It's horrific and only going to get worse

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maggie towne's avatar

1500+??

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jacqueline willis's avatar

Let’s all just admit that we have no law in our country anymore. Because the executive branch holds all the cards now. Democrats can’t stop this overreach and Republicans refuse to rein trump in. After this latest ruling from the appeals court trump now will arrest anyone in his way!He will send in the National Guard to every state that puts up a fight! Detention centers are nothing but gulags and we are being kept out by homeland security. Homeland security was the biggest mistake to begin with. Now we have to find a way to get back our democracy! Resist !!

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Jay Kuo's avatar

I understand the impulse to give in to this, but I want to caution against defeatism, particularly at this juncture. We are actually winning the battle for public opinion and winning in the courts. 4-6 million people turned up in the streets last Saturday. We keep pushing, because if we roll over now there is no chance for our democracy. As things stand, we can defeat this.

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G Chabraya's avatar

Absolutely. Never give up.

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Jeanne's avatar

" New guidance, released this month, requires much longer advance notice before a visit—increasing the time to 72 hour."

When we lived in Italy, we went to the Czech Republic and toured Theresienstadt, the "model" concentration camp. It was a propaganda tool of the Nazis, prepared especially to deceive the Red Cross and other international observers. Despite it's facade, of the 140,000 prisoners who were imprisoned there during its existence, 33,000 perished due to deprivation , starvation, and disease.

How utterly horrifying it was for us to see evidence of man's capability and willingness to destroy other humans simply because they can.

Some things do not change. Will we not learn from history? Will we be deceived? Will we look away? Or will we stand?

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Neita Oates's avatar

Too many people are not connecting what’s happening here to what happened there. They remain convinced (by their media and each other that this is only affecting illegal criminal elements - they aren’t reading or seeing what we are. I don’t know how their minds can be so closed off, but they are.

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G Chabraya's avatar

👍😭

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Alec's avatar

So, what's preventing Governors from activating their states National Guard units, to accompany and escort officials seeking to provide oversight at ICE facilities?

Sure, it might lead to firefights between thugs hired by ICE and National Guard but I doubt it. Those poorly disguised "Proud Boys" are cowards who would shrink in the face of potent opposition.

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Nancy J Waters's avatar

Jay, this is my question. What kind of enforcement powers do Congressional Reps have? Can they bring Federal Marshalls with them? Can Democratic governors in Blue States provide State Police escorts? What about local authorities? The Select Board (like a city council) that runs the town where the Massachusetts ICE facility is located are reportedly very concerned that ICE is violating local Public Health ordinances. Do they have any power to issue citations or even get the facility shut down as a detention center? (It was built to be an administrative office.) I think I read where you wrote that, under the Constitution, in a conflict between the feds and the state, a "tie goes to the states." How does that play out here?

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G Chabraya's avatar

That’s a good idea. Not sure the legal ramifications. But we need to defend our populace. All of it. I don’t care what color they are or whether they’re legal or not.

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