Pardon my language, but fuck the "high ground"! I'm sick of pearl clutching Democrats swooning over every perceived slight. You absolutely cannot change the rules if you aren't in charge. Right now a group of thugs that represent a very small minority of this country has managed to claim the seat of power and they are close to wrecking this country. We need to get off our butts and fight fire with fire.
Everyone says fuck now. So fuck it. Say fuck. Feel better? A few minutes.
To hell with the high ground. It does not work when you are dealing with low-lifes. They got the power. They worked at conniving, clawing, grabbing their way to it, gathered around this *phenom* an attention grabbing personality disordered person (yes talented) who we had to elevate to President- President of the World- because he won the election and thereby escaped jail. How did we let this happen? Something in the water we drink?
A-MEN. We need to destroy the current GOP and close off all exits of escape re: leadership. No more high ground. That ship sailed away a long time ago.
I agree. What use is "moral high ground" if it gets us nowhere? What is the point of "turn the other cheek" attitude, if it lands us in the hands of a dictator? We are dealing with bullies - all they understand is brute force. Enough is enough.
Amen! This tyrannical minority and its enablers has declared war on our democracy, our society, our government, the poor, the young, the disabled, immigrants, the environment, our public lands, and everyone who isn’t a multimillionaire/billionaire. Dems must do more than react; we must be proactive to stop this attempted fascist coup.
Exactly this when I saw “moral high ground.” This is part of what got us here. The Republicans have been cheating for at least 25 years, and the Democrats have been standing back and “saying well we’re the better, more moral people.” It makes me white-hot with rage. It’s been time to take the gloves off for decades. There’s also more and more credible information coming out about how they cheated to “win” in 2024. I recommend the “This Will Hold,” newsletter, especially today’s, and the Election Truth Alliance. Meidas, Elias, and others who’ve become “mainstream” in independent journalism refuse to even consider this. They call us Blue Anon/MAGA, and charge us with being stupid and childish.
Stephanie There’s no need for apologies. The word Fuck for many have been in all our vocabularies for many years. These past 6 months and going on 11 days since January 20th Fuck has become a noun, verb, adjective, adverb and conjunction in so many paragraphs, phrases and thoughts! As for the “High Ground” Fuck It… Tired of Democrats using butter knives in a gun fight! … Was always taught if someone hits you down, get up and hit them harder and put them on their ass so they can’t get up. Not to be the first to take the swing but to always be the last one to take the swing..
I live here in Texas and I think the tide is turning. In our suburban/rural area, the Trump flags I used to see everywhere are gone, people are waking up to realize that everything that moron promised is not coming true and that Project 2025 is being implemented. (that was before the news that he is a pedophile... well Duh. Being originally from NJ we all knew the Epstein/Trump saga) No help is coming from FEMA for the Hill Country disaster. Abbott being a DEI recipient must know that he's wheeling on a fine line. We're all watching this closely...
"I live here in Texas and I think the tide is turning. In our suburban/rural area, the Trump flags I used to see everywhere are gone, people are waking up ..." From your fingertips to God's ears! (I can't very well say "lips" in this context! ;P)
My daughter-in-law is from Texas. She and her family tend to be Democrats. She's quite upset over the destruction and deaths caused by the recent flooding in the Hill Country. I am wondering what the average Texan thinks and feels about the effects of the orange blight's regime on their state.
We visited the Hill Country in 2016. It's beautiful. I would love to go back and see more of it. Honestly, I hope all the gerrymandering results, in angry voters turning out in record numbers to vote Democrat, maybe for the first time.
One of the frustrations about Texas is that when I lived in the Austin area I was struck by how friendly Texans were, no matter their politics. Their politics truly seem to be opposed to their spirits, which is an odd thing, even considering the out of proportion impact of fundamentalist Christianity there.
In my long experience, for many (thankfully not all), their friendliness is a saccharine coating that can appear genuine, but only applies as far as others strictly adhere to their agenda of the one "right" way to believe, or live, or do anything. I've seen it called the Southern duality.
I don't like brushing in broad strokes, but there does seem to be a tendency in the south to deliver a steely knife with a smile among at least some of them. But in general, I think people everywhere want to do good instead of bad things. The terrible people have the largest footprints. In the south, those footprints trample through the lives of the quieter folks with an exaggerated thump.
Another Texan here. Let’s not be optimistic about the tide turning. This is a state where people consistently vote against their own interests because they cannot decouple themselves from their Republican identities. People who abhor gun violence? They still vote for the pro-firearms for everyone party. Do you support contraception—but you’re a lifelong resident of red Comal County? You’ll vote against Democrats.
Let's see what happens when the hits to COLAs take place, starting this year because the the rise in cost to Medicare. Let's see how the parents of the camp victims of the floods - most of whom were the children of the upper middle class -vote once the cruelty has finally, tragically, hit them. Gerrymandering may be the worst idea the MAGA party has come up with. Since it came from the diseased brain of the adjudicated felon, it probably is.
Actually, just let everyone in the area where most of the campers came from know how their representatives voted and be unrelenting. That's not propaganda. That's truth. Make sure the mothers and sisters and grandmothers and aunts truly understand who did this to them and their families. Once again, it will take the women to make the difference.
As a fellow Texan, I don’t understand how anyone votes for Wheels and his cronies after all these years without measurable improvement and they’re ripping away our rights. But I know a lot of people who think Democrats are evil incarnate… sigh. If only we could get rid of the radical right wing media. It’s discouraging.
I agree that it’s time to “take the gloves off“. However, I think it has to be done with constant messaging that we are only doing this because the Republicans are trying to cheat their way into an election that they don’t deserve because they are not serving the American people. Yes, let’s redistrict all the blue states and overwhelm the cheating Republicans at their own game! But be sure and let the public know that we are only doing this because we are being forced to by the Republicans! Without this constant reminder, we look like we’re the cheaters, and you know the Republicans will take advantage of that!
I agree, but do you think all that messaging will be reported on the news media Republicans use? Not likely. I can hear it now…Sean Hannity: “After complaining about unfair redistricting for years, the hypocritical Democrats are doing exactly what they accuse Republicans of”…we will cheer but for them it’s just more fuel for the fire.
Unfortunately true. We cannot reach at least 1/3 of the base...the true MAGA. And it's pointless to even try. We have to hit the younger men, the "bros" who voted for tRump.
There is no time to wait to try to save our democracy and it means playing by their rules which means BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY take the seats. When a murderer holds you up against the wall with a knife at your throat so you hesitate to gouge his eyes out because it’s impolite? We need to turn as many seats blue as possible asap.
We mapped the Texas Congressional districts being gerrymandered... and the Republican districts in blue states like California, NY, Michigan and Illinois.
This gamemanship/gerrymandering is BS!! I feel these parties spend so much time playing games with the districts and so little time doing right by the citizens of this country. While they play their games...this country is going down the tubes. As far as the Democrats go (and I am one).....my sense taking the high road is a dead-end at this stage of the game. STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!
"These parties"? Dems have been getting outplayed by Repubs for years by following what we believed were the democratic rules of fairness. Republicans have felt no such compunction. Don't give us this "both-siding" BS at this point. It is definitively not both sides!
Well, in the "do-something" camp, we have Hakeem Jeffries flying down to Texas for "strategizing meetings" with TX dems...ROTFLMAO! Oh, please, spare us this shite!
"Some Democratic elections experts are even suggesting that blue states hit back even harder and try and wipe out the current GOP advantage in gerrymandering."
Short of getting rid of the electoral college, why the hell not? At this point, while using slimy republican tactics is distasteful, it doesn't compare to the taste in my mouth since trump "took office". Fight fire with fire! (Besides, we aren't being as slimy as a governor and president taking advantage of flood victims.)
Elias is right. Sorry to be so blunt, but apparently most people don't fucking care that if we don't fight with every weapon in our arsenal, we might as well just turn the country over to the Nazis and wish them well in FUCKING AMERICA UP THE ASS.
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Obviously, many of our cities are going to end up the same way many of Germany's did in 1945. We don't have the will, just like in Germany, to kick out the Nazis while we are taking "the high road," because it's better to be dead than uncompromising and free of fascism, I guess.
David Hogg was right all along - primary certain GOP in states or by redistricting. Already these are options being looked at in blue states. Which means only one thing . . .
"But do voters want Democrats to strike back, or at least threaten to strike back, in fundamentally undemocratic ways such as extreme partisan redistricting?"
I'm 71. When I was in school, Civics was a required course to graduate. I distinctly remember learning that gerrymandering was illegal and if anyone tried it, it was promptly smacked down. When did that change?
Yeah. He supersized it because he's a republican hack.
"In a series of cases decided over decades, justices had struggled to craft a “judicially manageable standard” to redress partisan gerrymandering. In 2019’s Rucho v. Common Cause, the Court decided to abandon that effort altogether. Chief Justice John Roberts’s cynical majority opinion declared partisan gerrymandering claims “nonjusticiable,” meaning federal judges were barred from deciding them no matter how egregious the gerrymander."
Pardon my language, but fuck the "high ground"! I'm sick of pearl clutching Democrats swooning over every perceived slight. You absolutely cannot change the rules if you aren't in charge. Right now a group of thugs that represent a very small minority of this country has managed to claim the seat of power and they are close to wrecking this country. We need to get off our butts and fight fire with fire.
The word "fuck" is now part of everyday usage, like a comma, as the meme says. And it isn't our fault. Also, fuck the high ground.
Everyone says fuck now. So fuck it. Say fuck. Feel better? A few minutes.
To hell with the high ground. It does not work when you are dealing with low-lifes. They got the power. They worked at conniving, clawing, grabbing their way to it, gathered around this *phenom* an attention grabbing personality disordered person (yes talented) who we had to elevate to President- President of the World- because he won the election and thereby escaped jail. How did we let this happen? Something in the water we drink?
A-MEN. We need to destroy the current GOP and close off all exits of escape re: leadership. No more high ground. That ship sailed away a long time ago.
I agree. What use is "moral high ground" if it gets us nowhere? What is the point of "turn the other cheek" attitude, if it lands us in the hands of a dictator? We are dealing with bullies - all they understand is brute force. Enough is enough.
Taking the high ground and choosing to be politically correct vs gathering power to use toward positive change is what has gotten us where we are.
Amen! This tyrannical minority and its enablers has declared war on our democracy, our society, our government, the poor, the young, the disabled, immigrants, the environment, our public lands, and everyone who isn’t a multimillionaire/billionaire. Dems must do more than react; we must be proactive to stop this attempted fascist coup.
Exactly this when I saw “moral high ground.” This is part of what got us here. The Republicans have been cheating for at least 25 years, and the Democrats have been standing back and “saying well we’re the better, more moral people.” It makes me white-hot with rage. It’s been time to take the gloves off for decades. There’s also more and more credible information coming out about how they cheated to “win” in 2024. I recommend the “This Will Hold,” newsletter, especially today’s, and the Election Truth Alliance. Meidas, Elias, and others who’ve become “mainstream” in independent journalism refuse to even consider this. They call us Blue Anon/MAGA, and charge us with being stupid and childish.
You're spot on, taking the moral ground has gotten us where we are currently, so yes, f that shit!
Stephanie There’s no need for apologies. The word Fuck for many have been in all our vocabularies for many years. These past 6 months and going on 11 days since January 20th Fuck has become a noun, verb, adjective, adverb and conjunction in so many paragraphs, phrases and thoughts! As for the “High Ground” Fuck It… Tired of Democrats using butter knives in a gun fight! … Was always taught if someone hits you down, get up and hit them harder and put them on their ass so they can’t get up. Not to be the first to take the swing but to always be the last one to take the swing..
Those who swoon over trying to fight the evil are either dinosaurs, or republican-lites.
I live here in Texas and I think the tide is turning. In our suburban/rural area, the Trump flags I used to see everywhere are gone, people are waking up to realize that everything that moron promised is not coming true and that Project 2025 is being implemented. (that was before the news that he is a pedophile... well Duh. Being originally from NJ we all knew the Epstein/Trump saga) No help is coming from FEMA for the Hill Country disaster. Abbott being a DEI recipient must know that he's wheeling on a fine line. We're all watching this closely...
"wheeling on a fine line."
I saw what you did there.
"I live here in Texas and I think the tide is turning. In our suburban/rural area, the Trump flags I used to see everywhere are gone, people are waking up ..." From your fingertips to God's ears! (I can't very well say "lips" in this context! ;P)
My daughter-in-law is from Texas. She and her family tend to be Democrats. She's quite upset over the destruction and deaths caused by the recent flooding in the Hill Country. I am wondering what the average Texan thinks and feels about the effects of the orange blight's regime on their state.
We visited the Hill Country in 2016. It's beautiful. I would love to go back and see more of it. Honestly, I hope all the gerrymandering results, in angry voters turning out in record numbers to vote Democrat, maybe for the first time.
One of the frustrations about Texas is that when I lived in the Austin area I was struck by how friendly Texans were, no matter their politics. Their politics truly seem to be opposed to their spirits, which is an odd thing, even considering the out of proportion impact of fundamentalist Christianity there.
In my long experience, for many (thankfully not all), their friendliness is a saccharine coating that can appear genuine, but only applies as far as others strictly adhere to their agenda of the one "right" way to believe, or live, or do anything. I've seen it called the Southern duality.
I don't like brushing in broad strokes, but there does seem to be a tendency in the south to deliver a steely knife with a smile among at least some of them. But in general, I think people everywhere want to do good instead of bad things. The terrible people have the largest footprints. In the south, those footprints trample through the lives of the quieter folks with an exaggerated thump.
This is food for thought. Admittedly my view is jaded by my limited if long experience in one place, like the blind men and the elephant, so to speak.
Another Texan here. Let’s not be optimistic about the tide turning. This is a state where people consistently vote against their own interests because they cannot decouple themselves from their Republican identities. People who abhor gun violence? They still vote for the pro-firearms for everyone party. Do you support contraception—but you’re a lifelong resident of red Comal County? You’ll vote against Democrats.
In statewide elections (gerrymandering being irrelevant, and voter suppression and apathy win it for the GOP) the inferior GOP candidates win every single damn time. And the rhetoric I’ve seen out of people affected by the flood is disheartening. (Read https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2025-07-18/unthinkable-loss-and-unshakable-faith-after-the-flood/ and weep.)
How can these religious people vote for “grab them by the pussy” Trump? I’m baffled.
Because he hates the same people they do. Fundamental "Christianity"? Give me a break.
They’ve been persuaded that he’s God’s imperfect instrument for bringing about the Second Coming, something something King Cyrus.
I agree. It baffles me.
Just seeing this now: “County Emergency Official Says He Was Ill and Sleeping as Texas Floods Hit”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/us/politics/texas-floods-hearing.html
I wonder if this will wake anyone up?
Probably not. 😢
Let's see what happens when the hits to COLAs take place, starting this year because the the rise in cost to Medicare. Let's see how the parents of the camp victims of the floods - most of whom were the children of the upper middle class -vote once the cruelty has finally, tragically, hit them. Gerrymandering may be the worst idea the MAGA party has come up with. Since it came from the diseased brain of the adjudicated felon, it probably is.
Let’s see if we can deploy counterpropaganda. Because the far right will blame the usual suspects and people will buy it.
Actually, just let everyone in the area where most of the campers came from know how their representatives voted and be unrelenting. That's not propaganda. That's truth. Make sure the mothers and sisters and grandmothers and aunts truly understand who did this to them and their families. Once again, it will take the women to make the difference.
As a fellow Texan, I don’t understand how anyone votes for Wheels and his cronies after all these years without measurable improvement and they’re ripping away our rights. But I know a lot of people who think Democrats are evil incarnate… sigh. If only we could get rid of the radical right wing media. It’s discouraging.
The moral high ground is shifting under our feet. Holding the moral high ground is a piss poor consolation if we lose our democracy!
I agree that it’s time to “take the gloves off“. However, I think it has to be done with constant messaging that we are only doing this because the Republicans are trying to cheat their way into an election that they don’t deserve because they are not serving the American people. Yes, let’s redistrict all the blue states and overwhelm the cheating Republicans at their own game! But be sure and let the public know that we are only doing this because we are being forced to by the Republicans! Without this constant reminder, we look like we’re the cheaters, and you know the Republicans will take advantage of that!
Great point that the messaging around what the Dems are doing is as important as the substance of what they are doing.
I agree, but do you think all that messaging will be reported on the news media Republicans use? Not likely. I can hear it now…Sean Hannity: “After complaining about unfair redistricting for years, the hypocritical Democrats are doing exactly what they accuse Republicans of”…we will cheer but for them it’s just more fuel for the fire.
Fox watchers are unreachable.
Unfortunately true. We cannot reach at least 1/3 of the base...the true MAGA. And it's pointless to even try. We have to hit the younger men, the "bros" who voted for tRump.
Or any main-stream media? I doubt it.
100% I came looking though the comments for this message. Consistent, proactive messaging while brutality playing by the real rules of the game.
There is no time to wait to try to save our democracy and it means playing by their rules which means BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY take the seats. When a murderer holds you up against the wall with a knife at your throat so you hesitate to gouge his eyes out because it’s impolite? We need to turn as many seats blue as possible asap.
We mapped the Texas Congressional districts being gerrymandered... and the Republican districts in blue states like California, NY, Michigan and Illinois.
Fight fire with fire: Gerrymander!
https://thedemlabs.org/2025/07/30/fight-fire-with-fire-gerrymander/
This gamemanship/gerrymandering is BS!! I feel these parties spend so much time playing games with the districts and so little time doing right by the citizens of this country. While they play their games...this country is going down the tubes. As far as the Democrats go (and I am one).....my sense taking the high road is a dead-end at this stage of the game. STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!
"These parties"? Dems have been getting outplayed by Repubs for years by following what we believed were the democratic rules of fairness. Republicans have felt no such compunction. Don't give us this "both-siding" BS at this point. It is definitively not both sides!
Thank you!
Well, in the "do-something" camp, we have Hakeem Jeffries flying down to Texas for "strategizing meetings" with TX dems...ROTFLMAO! Oh, please, spare us this shite!
That was my take but I was swearing.
Agreed. It is well past time for Dems to start fighting fire with fire. We've seen where respecting norms has gotten us.
It is almost as if the GOP doesn’t cheat, they can't win. What a bunch of insecure A’Holes.
"Some Democratic elections experts are even suggesting that blue states hit back even harder and try and wipe out the current GOP advantage in gerrymandering."
Short of getting rid of the electoral college, why the hell not? At this point, while using slimy republican tactics is distasteful, it doesn't compare to the taste in my mouth since trump "took office". Fight fire with fire! (Besides, we aren't being as slimy as a governor and president taking advantage of flood victims.)
Elias is right. Sorry to be so blunt, but apparently most people don't fucking care that if we don't fight with every weapon in our arsenal, we might as well just turn the country over to the Nazis and wish them well in FUCKING AMERICA UP THE ASS.
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Obviously, many of our cities are going to end up the same way many of Germany's did in 1945. We don't have the will, just like in Germany, to kick out the Nazis while we are taking "the high road," because it's better to be dead than uncompromising and free of fascism, I guess.
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Grab your ankles, folks.
Do not wait for Texas. Every blue state must do everything possible to stop and the destroy the fascists. This is an existential crisis.
David Hogg was right all along - primary certain GOP in states or by redistricting. Already these are options being looked at in blue states. Which means only one thing . . .
Incompetent do-nothing Ken Martin must be FIRED‼️
This is war. The GOP has made that clear. For them, there is no going back. Dems need to understand that and respond in kind. This is not a drill.
"But do voters want Democrats to strike back, or at least threaten to strike back, in fundamentally undemocratic ways such as extreme partisan redistricting?"
I can answer this. Yes. Do it. Now.
I'm 71. When I was in school, Civics was a required course to graduate. I distinctly remember learning that gerrymandering was illegal and if anyone tried it, it was promptly smacked down. When did that change?
With the Roberts court
...Before that, actually, Patt. But Roberts has honed it to an evil art form.
Yeah. He supersized it because he's a republican hack.
"In a series of cases decided over decades, justices had struggled to craft a “judicially manageable standard” to redress partisan gerrymandering. In 2019’s Rucho v. Common Cause, the Court decided to abandon that effort altogether. Chief Justice John Roberts’s cynical majority opinion declared partisan gerrymandering claims “nonjusticiable,” meaning federal judges were barred from deciding them no matter how egregious the gerrymander."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/supreme-court-just-made-gerrymandering-even-easier
Shameless. Unamerican. Though hopefully not the “new American”.
Thanks for the info!
The gift that keeps on giving. I wish there were a hell. I have 7 candidates for cells in Worst Class.