I love how they “fight” for unborn children but do NOTHING for our children who are being murdered on the streets, in schools in churches. F*cking hypocrites!! 🤬
Unless it’s her husband that wants to procreate. Then it doesn’t matter what she wants. He can force her legs open, impregnate her against her will, and she has no other option but to carry that fetus, birth that baby, and care for that child for the rest of her life.
We all know that a man willing to do that to a woman will have zero qualms doing even worse to her, leaving only 2 options. Either taking her child(ren) and leaving him (which we also know will require help and support from their community/government, which is becoming harder and harder to get, or is being stripped away more and more each day and will likely not be available)
OR staying with him no matter how bad the abuse gets so that she can (hopefully) more easily provide for her kids their basic, human needs.
Bingo. No childcare support after birth, no assistance for a child born with challenges, no healthcare, no education assistance, nothing. Just push it out and roll the dice on the child's health and survival.
Plus, funding terrorist states committing genocide in the middle east. They don’t give a flying fuck about kids or anyone else but their money managers.
People who value their right to determine what health care and medical care is appropriate for themselves and their minor children should be leaving TX for jurisdictions that actually respect individuals’ rights.
Other countries can benefit from the USA ex-pats. This country has benefitted from the foreign students who come to universities and colleges here and who stay.
At the very least, all women should shut Texas men off from having sex. As the right wingers are happy to tell everyone: abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy. It's also the best way to avoid abortions and miscarriages.
I agree with what you’re saying, and I also know that many women are repeatedly and habitually legally raped every day.
Don’t forget, too, that the same states passing these draconian laws also allow child marriage. Those poor girls are married off and the raping begins before they ever reach the age of consent.
This isn’t about abortion, it’s about controlling, abusing, and murdering women.
Yes, you’re right. I apologize for sounding a bit snippy. My question about what the percentage’s are was an honest one. I didn’t notice at the time that, depending on how the reader uses inflection while reading, it could sound like sarcasm. It wasn’t meant that way. I really don’t know the size of the mountain you’re up against. To me, in a state far away, it feels like 90-10!
Forcing Texas to secede is an extremely short-sighted perspective that would make the situation even worse for the women who live there who do not have the means to move or a place to go. Please remember that the people making these draconian decisions are a minority of Texans (who just ensured their power with their redistricting scam). More than ever, we need to keep the ability of individuals to cross borders when they need to for medical care, and to help them find it. Calling for a closed border is like saying the lives of the women of Texas are not worth fighting for. Is that what you really want?
What I want is for people not to get too worked up over what most people would interpret as a caustic joke. Nobody thinks something like that is a viable option.
Nope. They don’t get to take any states. We went down that road once. If they want behave like the Taliban, send them to Afghanistan. They can trade places with the people who don’t want to live in a dictatorial theocracy.
If only it were as easy as simply wanting to leave...I fear for all the child-bearing females in my very embarrassing state run by heartless, conflicted christian leaders :(
They must like it or they'd leave. Have a hard time with that. Sorry women who are being beaten and abused. This is the 21st century. There is help out there for you.
I'm sorry but your reply is completely out of touch. A *LOT* of women can't just up and leave their abusive situations. For a million reasons. It's extraordinarily victim-blaming for you to conclude that these women "they must like it or they'd leave." That's never true.
Please take some time to think about what you just said. Please take some time to learn about abused women and the fact that the most dangerous time for them is when they leave. Please find out the effort it takes to walk out the door, and the fear that he will find you before you can find a safe house, and possible relocation far enough away, and possibly having to leave everything you've ever known. I've been the receiving safe house for a number of women, and believe me, your simple little judgmental scenario is way off base.
Your reply has me stumped: Thought we were discussing the lack of women's right to choose in the state of Texas? Beaten & abused? Like it or leave? I pray those women do seek help. I'm a 74 yr old retired teacher that is enjoying retirement w/my high school sweetheart & fur baby :) Peace out!
I live in Texas, and I know at least two young women who have had their tubes tied to avoid pregnancy. A couple of young men who opted for vasectomies. If I were still young I would absolutely do this.
Why are men making decisions about women's bodies and what they can do with them. Let's have a discussion about vasectomies.....and how every man should have one. Let the ladies put the law
I've actually suggested, in mixed company, that when males reach puberty & are capable of impregnating females, they should have a vasectomy...then when they are capable of helping to support a child, the procedure can be reversed: Ensuing reactions are priceless! My hubby of 54 yrs got one for his 40th birthday...best gift he ever gave me! :)
“Our laws should deter everyone in Texas from murdering preborn children.” That way we can murder them when they are postborn with all our unrestricted firearms. These hypocrites make me sick!
This is infuriating, what can we do to fight all this bullshit? The more I see things sliding into hell the angrier I get, I want to fight back but it seems like nothing is working. 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ This is so sickening, paired with him banning VA doctors from performing abortions too, even in cases of rape or incest. I’m absolutely beside myself with fury and I feel for all of the other women who are being affected by these archaic “laws” and misogynistic bullshit! This is absolutely unconscionable, not to mention unconstitutional but they don’t care they’re taking a torch to the constitution right now! We need dems who are willing to fight fire with fire. It’s just overwhelming seeing all this happen and not being able to push back against it because they don’t listen even if you do call or email or write, they’re licking dementia Donnie’s boots and got their heads stuck up his nasty incontinent ass! 🤢🤮🤬😤😡
Perhaps the US needs laws making it illegal for men to have sex without protection without specific permission and allowing women to sue any men they know of doing so.
Yes, that too, but I'm talking about ALL men, all the time, husbands, boyfriends, dates. By anyone who could conceivably have an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.
We've never had a coup before. We are still learning what to do and how to do it most effectively. Just do whatever you can, with whatever you have to work with, whenever you can! And remember that you are not alone. We may feel the same way that you do right now. But we are in this together! Remember the Civil Rights Movement, the Vietnam War protests, Women's Rights, all these things started from the bottom up! Even the Revolutionary War began with We The People being fed up with British control of the colonial government and unfair taxation. Change in this country always comes from the bottom up! This is where great leaders are born!
Absolutely!! Continue protesting whenever possible until Trump sends out the National Guard to arrest us all and cage us like the immigrants. He's working on it. He's pushing for a civil war.
All the smart women are furious too. Donnie is a sick puppy who is destroying our country. If he goes, his sicko base will crawl back into their holes until the next sex offender tries to run for office who has help from Russia. Maybe by then, we'll be smart enough to make sure this never happens again. The founding fathers weren't expecting the MAGA party and Trump to come along and destroy everything they fought so hard to secure.
But I think the women of TX cd put a stop to this. Many women in that state & LA & others apparently agree w/ the demotion of themselves & daughters to 2nd class citizenship, if not chattel slavery.
I read yesterday that the maternal mortality rate has increased from 22 women per 100,000 pregnancies to 43 women per 100,00 pregnancies since the Dobbs decision. Clearly if women don't have access to terminate a pregnancy, they suffer and can die, mainly from sepsis. The babies born of these pregnancies gone wrong also suffer as they wait to die after birth. There is NO pro-life in these laws.
I can say that my Substack has been an unequivocally vocal supporter of women's rights, as has been my writing on Medium. I'd say the same for Jay, too (there must be a reason you read him, right?).
One of the biggest problems I see is that the poisoning of young male minds is a growth industry that needs to be addressed, stat.
Back in the day schools (high schools mainly, but elsewhere...?) offered classes in Civics, and these are LONG overdue to be reinstated. Were there ever classes in Ethics? Chances are many might
try to turn such a class into a strictly religious class, but beyond
The Golden Rule (which many religions can point to with instant recognition), the concept of Ethics is pretty simple and certainly worthy of being an occasional subject for schools. I do remember seeing some h.s. classmates carrying a book whose title included the words 'Situational Ethics' (I never had or read it).
Teaching either of these subjects well requires someone who is a very good teacher...and now I am way off-topic....
We women need to stay in the lead in our ongoing struggle for our autonomy. Don’t count on men to support us. If some do, great, but we really need to do almost all of it ourselves.
In the free for all created by the Supreme Court where the actual law is somewhere between advisory and non-existent it may be ridiculous and quaint to talk about the law, but:
Admittedly I went to law school back in ancient times and my memories of civil procedure are not the sharpest but this proposed TX law seems to me to violate pretty much every precept of the constitutional and statutory underpinnings of civil procedure from standing to jurisdiction to conflicts of laws and beyond.
Maybe my home state of MA should pass a law allowing private citizens like me to sue teachers, principals and administrators in any state for posting the 10 Commandments in any school or school room and to obtain monetary damages (for charity of course, ahem, ahem).
It is constitutionally infirm. We do not want to promote citizen vigilantism, nor should the laws be weaponized in this way. You need only imagine what blue states might empower their citizens to do in response to see how flimsy their argument is.
I find it interesting you compared this to Dred Scott... At its heart, this whole business is about the Theofascists attempt to eliminate women and girls personhood and relegate them to no role in society but baby factories. And, this will grow worse, because I think this Court has plans to eliminate the right of access to birth control.
Don't be so unfair! They're not intended to be only baby factories, they need to have a meal ready on the table when their man comes home. See, they want multi-skilled women.
If/when sanity returns to Congress, they need to repeal the Comstock Act and any other obsolete laws these wannabe-theocrats might be tempted to dredge back up.
I didn’t need more reasons to hate and avoid TX, but now that I do have them, I want to rescue the dems and the females living there. Hell, I want to save the animals, too - ironically, bestiality was not illegal there until 2017.
This is obvious overreach by Texas. The United States will become a spider web of jurisdictional encroachment if these laws are allowed to be in place.
Appreciate the long-awaited post on the increasing crackdown on abortion access. Would like to see more of this as women are increasing harassed and arrested. Don't know how many of your readers also follow Jessica Valenti's Substack, Abortion, Every Day, so any time you amplify what's in plain sight to some of us means more eyes are open.
Great, now a rapist can choose the mother of their child. Read that again. Until it happens to one of these legislators' daughters and they find themselves flying her to a different state to terminate the pregnancy. This is horrific.
It will continue indefinitely BECAUSE people with enough money can access abortion while the poorer pregnant constituents of restrictive states suffer and die.
This just makes me want to scream! These people are not christians but hate filled terrorist imposing their will on the whole f'n country. Wish we let them go 165 yrs ago. They hate independent, educated, financially successful women bc we don't need these hateful, misogynistic men who just want to control us! Fuck off Texas and Louisiana and Florida and all you confederate losers.
I love how they “fight” for unborn children but do NOTHING for our children who are being murdered on the streets, in schools in churches. F*cking hypocrites!! 🤬
Also they are “pro life” except when it comes to the life of a woman carrying a non-viable fetus who may die without the abortion.
Some of whom have already died, in Texas and in at least one other state (I've lost count....).
Yes, it's not okay to have an abortion, but it's okay to kill the mother when her life is in danger.
Plus they have no interest in helping the poor women who are affected by this after the children are born!
Their view is that the woman should just keep her legs together if she doesn’t want kids. Sex is only for procreation.
Unless it’s her husband that wants to procreate. Then it doesn’t matter what she wants. He can force her legs open, impregnate her against her will, and she has no other option but to carry that fetus, birth that baby, and care for that child for the rest of her life.
We all know that a man willing to do that to a woman will have zero qualms doing even worse to her, leaving only 2 options. Either taking her child(ren) and leaving him (which we also know will require help and support from their community/government, which is becoming harder and harder to get, or is being stripped away more and more each day and will likely not be available)
OR staying with him no matter how bad the abuse gets so that she can (hopefully) more easily provide for her kids their basic, human needs.
Awesome.
Except they also offer no exceptions for victims of rape or incest. So really, they just expect women to be incubators, willing or not.
👆🎯
Bingo. No childcare support after birth, no assistance for a child born with challenges, no healthcare, no education assistance, nothing. Just push it out and roll the dice on the child's health and survival.
Plus, funding terrorist states committing genocide in the middle east. They don’t give a flying fuck about kids or anyone else but their money managers.
Sad, but true: it seems they don't care at all about being hypocrites. There is no shame anymore in some politicians.
Yes, they are hypocrites!!!!
Not to mention the children living in poverty once their mom has been forced to deliver them. Their hypocrisy is bottomless.
Or provide healthcare for those children
That is because they are a death cult. Pro-life was always merely a marketing term to hide the fact that they are actually forced-birthers only.
Women who value their lives should leave TX.
People who value their right to determine what health care and medical care is appropriate for themselves and their minor children should be leaving TX for jurisdictions that actually respect individuals’ rights.
That actually requires leaving the United States now, with RFKJ denying access to drugs and vaccines nation-wide.
That’s what I was thinking.
Yes.
And people who don't live the United States like to say that people should depart for more welcoming countries
Other countries can benefit from the USA ex-pats. This country has benefitted from the foreign students who come to universities and colleges here and who stay.
At the very least, all women should shut Texas men off from having sex. As the right wingers are happy to tell everyone: abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy. It's also the best way to avoid abortions and miscarriages.
I agree with what you’re saying, and I also know that many women are repeatedly and habitually legally raped every day.
Don’t forget, too, that the same states passing these draconian laws also allow child marriage. Those poor girls are married off and the raping begins before they ever reach the age of consent.
This isn’t about abortion, it’s about controlling, abusing, and murdering women.
I agree...cut off all the Texans. Or, pass a law to neuter all the males in that backward state.
I live here and thank god I am not of childbearing age.
If you need other care provided by a GYN you may find they have also fled TX.
We should just force Texas to secede when Dems take over. It offers nothing to the rest of us but misery, hatred, and pain.
Have them take Florida with them.
Hey, I live in Florida. We have liberal folk here, too.
If there were enough of them, I’d assume all of you would have fired DeSantis by now. Do you know the % of liberals vs % of conservatives there?
Florida is a gerrymandered state too. Please keep these things in mind before you throw everyone in the same bucket.
Yes, you’re right. I apologize for sounding a bit snippy. My question about what the percentage’s are was an honest one. I didn’t notice at the time that, depending on how the reader uses inflection while reading, it could sound like sarcasm. It wasn’t meant that way. I really don’t know the size of the mountain you’re up against. To me, in a state far away, it feels like 90-10!
Forcing Texas to secede is an extremely short-sighted perspective that would make the situation even worse for the women who live there who do not have the means to move or a place to go. Please remember that the people making these draconian decisions are a minority of Texans (who just ensured their power with their redistricting scam). More than ever, we need to keep the ability of individuals to cross borders when they need to for medical care, and to help them find it. Calling for a closed border is like saying the lives of the women of Texas are not worth fighting for. Is that what you really want?
What I want is for people not to get too worked up over what most people would interpret as a caustic joke. Nobody thinks something like that is a viable option.
I gather you think that a caustic joke about things like this is appropriate in this context. What a strange way to think.
Leave the judgementalism at your church door.
Nope. They don’t get to take any states. We went down that road once. If they want behave like the Taliban, send them to Afghanistan. They can trade places with the people who don’t want to live in a dictatorial theocracy.
I like that better.
Love that idea...and send all the Floridians there too.
All? Really? Just because they happen to live in Florida? God help us all.
If only it were as easy as simply wanting to leave...I fear for all the child-bearing females in my very embarrassing state run by heartless, conflicted christian leaders :(
They must like it or they'd leave. Have a hard time with that. Sorry women who are being beaten and abused. This is the 21st century. There is help out there for you.
I'm sorry but your reply is completely out of touch. A *LOT* of women can't just up and leave their abusive situations. For a million reasons. It's extraordinarily victim-blaming for you to conclude that these women "they must like it or they'd leave." That's never true.
Please take some time to think about what you just said. Please take some time to learn about abused women and the fact that the most dangerous time for them is when they leave. Please find out the effort it takes to walk out the door, and the fear that he will find you before you can find a safe house, and possible relocation far enough away, and possibly having to leave everything you've ever known. I've been the receiving safe house for a number of women, and believe me, your simple little judgmental scenario is way off base.
Your reply has me stumped: Thought we were discussing the lack of women's right to choose in the state of Texas? Beaten & abused? Like it or leave? I pray those women do seek help. I'm a 74 yr old retired teacher that is enjoying retirement w/my high school sweetheart & fur baby :) Peace out!
And the men who love them.
I live in Texas, and I know at least two young women who have had their tubes tied to avoid pregnancy. A couple of young men who opted for vasectomies. If I were still young I would absolutely do this.
But where do they go? This is getting worse & worse, and also many can't afford to move. :-(
Why are men making decisions about women's bodies and what they can do with them. Let's have a discussion about vasectomies.....and how every man should have one. Let the ladies put the law
forth.
I've actually suggested, in mixed company, that when males reach puberty & are capable of impregnating females, they should have a vasectomy...then when they are capable of helping to support a child, the procedure can be reversed: Ensuing reactions are priceless! My hubby of 54 yrs got one for his 40th birthday...best gift he ever gave me! :)
B/c many women allow & support it.
The Federal Courts will toss it, but the Six Sock Puppets on the High Nine will approve it.
(Kiwi: 😅 Ha, I first read “the Six Cock Puppets” - both epithets work nicely for those vermin.)
I fear you may be correct, except if the case originates in the Fifth Circuit, I fear they will go along, too.
So true! It’s unbelievable that we are seeing this happen! I’m appalled and disappointed in certain that don’t see this
“Our laws should deter everyone in Texas from murdering preborn children.” That way we can murder them when they are postborn with all our unrestricted firearms. These hypocrites make me sick!
They LOVE their guns. They don't give a rats behind whether children are shot in schools and churches. Let's just make sure they're born first.
That's why they call them Ammosexuals.
This is infuriating, what can we do to fight all this bullshit? The more I see things sliding into hell the angrier I get, I want to fight back but it seems like nothing is working. 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ This is so sickening, paired with him banning VA doctors from performing abortions too, even in cases of rape or incest. I’m absolutely beside myself with fury and I feel for all of the other women who are being affected by these archaic “laws” and misogynistic bullshit! This is absolutely unconscionable, not to mention unconstitutional but they don’t care they’re taking a torch to the constitution right now! We need dems who are willing to fight fire with fire. It’s just overwhelming seeing all this happen and not being able to push back against it because they don’t listen even if you do call or email or write, they’re licking dementia Donnie’s boots and got their heads stuck up his nasty incontinent ass! 🤢🤮🤬😤😡
Perhaps the US needs laws making it illegal for men to have sex without protection without specific permission and allowing women to sue any men they know of doing so.
Hmm wonder if they're going to ban condoms.
I wouldn't be surprised if RFK Jr dreamed up some reason to deter their use--maybe that condoms result in infertility?
No, they cause school shootings
This is a fabulous idea!!! But actually, that should be the case right now. It's called rape.
Yes, that too, but I'm talking about ALL men, all the time, husbands, boyfriends, dates. By anyone who could conceivably have an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.
We've never had a coup before. We are still learning what to do and how to do it most effectively. Just do whatever you can, with whatever you have to work with, whenever you can! And remember that you are not alone. We may feel the same way that you do right now. But we are in this together! Remember the Civil Rights Movement, the Vietnam War protests, Women's Rights, all these things started from the bottom up! Even the Revolutionary War began with We The People being fed up with British control of the colonial government and unfair taxation. Change in this country always comes from the bottom up! This is where great leaders are born!
Absolutely!! Continue protesting whenever possible until Trump sends out the National Guard to arrest us all and cage us like the immigrants. He's working on it. He's pushing for a civil war.
Yes! Good to be reminded of where change most often bubbles up from.
All the smart women are furious too. Donnie is a sick puppy who is destroying our country. If he goes, his sicko base will crawl back into their holes until the next sex offender tries to run for office who has help from Russia. Maybe by then, we'll be smart enough to make sure this never happens again. The founding fathers weren't expecting the MAGA party and Trump to come along and destroy everything they fought so hard to secure.
But I think the women of TX cd put a stop to this. Many women in that state & LA & others apparently agree w/ the demotion of themselves & daughters to 2nd class citizenship, if not chattel slavery.
I read yesterday that the maternal mortality rate has increased from 22 women per 100,000 pregnancies to 43 women per 100,00 pregnancies since the Dobbs decision. Clearly if women don't have access to terminate a pregnancy, they suffer and can die, mainly from sepsis. The babies born of these pregnancies gone wrong also suffer as they wait to die after birth. There is NO pro-life in these laws.
They are not pro-life, they are forced birthers.
It’s a war on women! Keep them under control of men and the government.
I second that! Putting women down and controlling them is the goal of all men.
Keep us barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen is always the goal.
We have to stand up for ourselves!!!
Not ALL men. Only the uneducated misogynists and immature "boys."
So you and all the other men like you need to SPEAK UP! Women can't win this war on our autonomy without your support.
I can say that my Substack has been an unequivocally vocal supporter of women's rights, as has been my writing on Medium. I'd say the same for Jay, too (there must be a reason you read him, right?).
One of the biggest problems I see is that the poisoning of young male minds is a growth industry that needs to be addressed, stat.
Back in the day schools (high schools mainly, but elsewhere...?) offered classes in Civics, and these are LONG overdue to be reinstated. Were there ever classes in Ethics? Chances are many might
try to turn such a class into a strictly religious class, but beyond
The Golden Rule (which many religions can point to with instant recognition), the concept of Ethics is pretty simple and certainly worthy of being an occasional subject for schools. I do remember seeing some h.s. classmates carrying a book whose title included the words 'Situational Ethics' (I never had or read it).
Teaching either of these subjects well requires someone who is a very good teacher...and now I am way off-topic....
We women need to stay in the lead in our ongoing struggle for our autonomy. Don’t count on men to support us. If some do, great, but we really need to do almost all of it ourselves.
Yes, but it’s almost always men! We can’t tell by looking which ones are safe, so the assumption has to be that they are all potentially unsafe.
I blame the Handmaid's Tale women who allow this! They disgust me as much as these backward, wife beating men.
In the free for all created by the Supreme Court where the actual law is somewhere between advisory and non-existent it may be ridiculous and quaint to talk about the law, but:
Admittedly I went to law school back in ancient times and my memories of civil procedure are not the sharpest but this proposed TX law seems to me to violate pretty much every precept of the constitutional and statutory underpinnings of civil procedure from standing to jurisdiction to conflicts of laws and beyond.
Maybe my home state of MA should pass a law allowing private citizens like me to sue teachers, principals and administrators in any state for posting the 10 Commandments in any school or school room and to obtain monetary damages (for charity of course, ahem, ahem).
It is constitutionally infirm. We do not want to promote citizen vigilantism, nor should the laws be weaponized in this way. You need only imagine what blue states might empower their citizens to do in response to see how flimsy their argument is.
I like your understanding of the law!
I find it interesting you compared this to Dred Scott... At its heart, this whole business is about the Theofascists attempt to eliminate women and girls personhood and relegate them to no role in society but baby factories. And, this will grow worse, because I think this Court has plans to eliminate the right of access to birth control.
Don't be so unfair! They're not intended to be only baby factories, they need to have a meal ready on the table when their man comes home. See, they want multi-skilled women.
No viagra would be good! Comstock Act!
If/when sanity returns to Congress, they need to repeal the Comstock Act and any other obsolete laws these wannabe-theocrats might be tempted to dredge back up.
Sauce for the goose...
I didn’t need more reasons to hate and avoid TX, but now that I do have them, I want to rescue the dems and the females living there. Hell, I want to save the animals, too - ironically, bestiality was not illegal there until 2017.
This is obvious overreach by Texas. The United States will become a spider web of jurisdictional encroachment if these laws are allowed to be in place.
Terry: It’ll happen. It’ll be more of a nightmare than we can imagine.
it already is...
Mind your own business womb sniffers in TX.
Appreciate the long-awaited post on the increasing crackdown on abortion access. Would like to see more of this as women are increasing harassed and arrested. Don't know how many of your readers also follow Jessica Valenti's Substack, Abortion, Every Day, so any time you amplify what's in plain sight to some of us means more eyes are open.
Valenti’s substack is a must read for anyone who cares about women and reproductive freedom!
Great, now a rapist can choose the mother of their child. Read that again. Until it happens to one of these legislators' daughters and they find themselves flying her to a different state to terminate the pregnancy. This is horrific.
It will continue indefinitely BECAUSE people with enough money can access abortion while the poorer pregnant constituents of restrictive states suffer and die.
This just makes me want to scream! These people are not christians but hate filled terrorist imposing their will on the whole f'n country. Wish we let them go 165 yrs ago. They hate independent, educated, financially successful women bc we don't need these hateful, misogynistic men who just want to control us! Fuck off Texas and Louisiana and Florida and all you confederate losers.