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And don't look to the MSM for sounding the tocsin against the Orange Menace...here's how the NYT originally headlined tRump's Veteran's Day call for Hitlerian "camps":

"Trump Takes Veterans Day Speech in a Very Different Direction”

I ask you, is this "responsible" journalism, or merely more normalizing of the behavior of this mental defective? Oy vey!

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At least they seem to have realized their error in judgment. Today’s piece was somewhat better, and WaPo and Forbes covered it as they should.

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Just looked online and found the current headline and sub-head for NYT article on tfg's Veteran's Day speech.

"After Calling Foes ‘Vermin,’ Trump Campaign Warns Its Critics Will Be ‘Crushed’

The former president’s Veterans Day speech used language similar to the dehumanizing rhetoric wielded by dictators like Hitler and Mussolini."

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Liberals are the SCAPEGOAT in American-style fascism.

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“Liberal” has been a four-letter word since Reagan.

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We are "vermin" and the camps are on the drawing board.

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Yes. What are the margins Democrats need to win by in the next election to prevent Republican violence? Starting at +7 million.

What are we gonna do about all these fascists who don’t believe in elections? They are GOING to say they won. They are WILLING to use violence.

If Trump is on the ballot - it’s already too late.

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Well, as Robert E Lee used to say, "Beware of liberals with guns."

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I hope that I am merely being paranoid, but I have had this sense that MSM is reluctant to call out Trump and the Republicans because they are afraid of what might happen to THEM if Trump wins in 2024. In legal terms, "the witness has effectively been intimidated."

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MSM is privately owned so it is even worse than you what you fear.

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That is a big component of my fear. They see themselves simply as a business rather than as a public institution with larger responsibilities.

A picture that has been emerging over the past several years among Republicans and among media owners is the perception that if they treat Donald Trump with kid gloves and he loses in 2024, they remain none in the worse off. If on the other hand, Donald Trump becomes president and goes through with project 2025, preferment for those who were “nice“ to him versus retribution against those who were not will be of a magnitude that few people of that stripe are willing to risk. Consequently, they are all hedging their bets - to the detriment of us all.

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When I look at the ownership of the NYT and other press with their billionaires/millionaires clubs I do not see any protections for us from their lies. These owners do not seem to have any analytical German history classes. Just learning that the Germans under Hitler slaughtered Jews and other people because of Hitler's and their racist ideology is not enough. You should know that IG Farben, Krupp, Thissen, etc... bankrolled him and once Hitler was in power they had no control over him. It was the other way around. He controlled them.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis

Trump has been said to have read Mein Kampf and admire it. Well, Hitler explains his thinking. This Atlantic article talks about how they lost control of Hitler, and how he started off with A Big Lie very intentionally.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/nazi-germany-hitler-democracy-weimar/671605/

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it they say, well those who know it and emulate it for bad purposes will be trying to repeat it too. The Republicans are ruthless. Is what we have enough to combat that?

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It's going to be a long uphill slog but we have to try, and then try harder. Political support for non=profit news is vital.

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I lived in Germany in the 80s. Americans have no idea.

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Hardly. I wonder how many readers complained before they made a change LITE!

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I did.

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That’s not just normalization; that’s active obscurantism. It tells you nothing about what he said. In fact, at this point “a very different direction” for Donald Trump would be to admit he lost the election and list the ways he thought Biden was doing a good job.

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Right? That is cowardice - pure and simple. Here we are trying to fight for the freedom of the press, while some (thankfully not all) of our press is basically shite incapable of calling things as they are.

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No, it’s blind greed.

If they stop covering Trump like he’s a normal candidate, and instead start accurately reporting on him as the fascist he is, then the coming election won’t even be close.

They NEED it to be a horse race. That’s how they get people paying attention. That’s how they get higher ad revenues. That’s how the individual “journalists” get book deals.

All of that goes away if they actually do their jobs and have headlines like “Trump Echoes Hitler in Veterans Day Speech - lays out details of plans to destroy democracy if re-elected”

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How did the NYT fall so far, so fast?? I expect right-wing rags like the Wall Street Journal to be propaganda platforms, but the NYT used to at least act like they encouraged thier employees to commit journalism once in a while . . Sadly, those days are gone . . .

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So fast? They’ve been doing this for AGES.

Remember all the column inches for the “Hillary’s emails” and the Benghazi nothing-burgers?

All the hand wringing over “She’s got a cold! What this means for her health!”

And before that, how many headlines on Obama’s birth certificate while ignoring Trump’s repeated “I have evidence” that never appeared?

The NY Times has been normalizing Republican crimes while downplaying Democratic successes since at least the Clinton years.

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Valid points. Should have said so far, full stop.

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Lol NYT having journalistic integrity?! Have you seen their coverage of Israel? They’re just a mouthpiece for woke intellectuals. You can hardly consider anything they write anymore to be journalism

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What are "woke intellectuals"?

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"Woke Intellectuals" is that a dog whistle for liberals? You see the quotes here from the NYT headlines which focused on Hilary's emails, Obama's birth certificate....wake.up those are geared toward right wing conspiracy voters, in other words the Republican party.

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Woke intellectuals is the extremist wing of the Left in colleges and the media that wants to ideologically capture the entire party to be anti-West, anti-White, anti-religious, and anti- hetero. They are the same extremists that cheered for Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao 50 years ago and think capitalism and free speech are a danger. They need to be stopped

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Wow.

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He sounds lovely and not the type I’m worried about. I’m talking about liberal arts/social science professors that hate the West and wanna screw animals https://nypost.com/2023/11/11/lifestyle/princeton-professor-ignites-outrage-by-calling-journal-article-about-sex-with-animals-thought-provoking-someone-check-his-hard-drive/amp/

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College professors and the Imbram Kendi/Ta- Nehisi Coates of the world who think everything is racist

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Oh...... My late husband was a college professor. He taught art and ceramics. Nobody thinks "everything is racist". But many people are.

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I mean, if you've studied anything about US history... everything *IS* racist. This country cut its teeth on the idea that those of other skin colors (First Nations Peoples) were "beneath" the white European.

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Wow, they JUST changed the title and byline! Must have been losing subscribers. It is now: "Accused of Echoing Fascists, Trump Campaign Warns Its Critics Will Be ‘Crushed’ The former president likened political opponents to “vermin” over the weekend, similar to the dehumanizing rhetoric wielded by dictators like Hitler and Mussolini."

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To dying newspapers, nothing matters anymore except money. Investigative reporting? Gone. Even accurate reporting is rare, now....

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How horrific - certainly not responsible.

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something about click baiting articles titles for algorithms is also very pathetic headlines say nothing at all anymore and force ppl to click to read one paragraph of an article hidden behind a paywall

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NYT is only available to subscribers and it's not cheap.

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It's not worth the price

I stopped subscribing. How exceptional can they be if they can't call out a fascist in their original article and have to backtrack? They used to be "it" and now trash. I really like Maggie Haberman. She's too good for that rag as is Mike Schmidt

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I discontinued my subscription to them today and said why!

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I still subscribe because it is our largest newspaper and what they say, and how they say it, matters. But not because I agree with them.

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Call tffg by his real name: Shitler.

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Code RED. Exactly. I've been freaked out about this guy since 2015.

Tuberville's blocks are part of the Project 2025 plan, as are Trump's words. We ignore the collaborative efforts of these people at great risk. Trump's biggest mistake, in his mind, during his first term, was not having a pliant military. He's going to do everything he can to "fix" that "mistake" second time around.

I really do wish Biden would step aside for this moment, but at the same time, I'd vote for a Biden version of Weekend at Bernie's over not voting. There is no option. Vote, or it's game, set, match.

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Tha main thing is to prevent Trump from becoming president. Not a time to quible over what *might* happen with Biden when we know what *will happen with Trump.

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Absolutely. Besides, the worst that happens with Biden is Kamala takes over. She'll be just fine.

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Agreed! It astonishes me how some people are looking at this equation. Clearly they are not getting how dangerous Trump is. Why that is could be any number of possibilities I suppose. But MSM is definitely downplaying Trump's horrific rhetoric.

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I'm seeing some cracks in the MSM foolishness. But they are small. There has been a fair amount of alarm over these remarks. The "vermin" remark, especially. But given their track record, it isn't easy to be optimistic about a change in reporting overall.

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Unfortunately, while Democrats are, as a group, much more progressive than Republicans, there are still many racists and sexists among us. You think Kamala would do fine. I think Kamala would do fine. But there are probably many Dems who can't tolerate the possibility of a Black and Indian woman as President. I so wish those people were not among us, but the reality is that they are. I wish Kamala was more visible so that she would have a better chance of proving herself to the public, but that's not going to happen while the media continues to virtually ignore her.

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If the worst happens and Biden can not finish his second term, I will not lose a minute of sleep. Harris is smart, tough, and experienced. As VP she already has a lot more relevant experience than Obama did when he first entered the Oval Office. Plus the administration has been stocked with smart,

knowledgeable, experienced people who are not afraid to tell truth to power. Harris would be fine.

She gets a bad rap and I don’t know why. Must be something to do with her 2 X chromosomes and the amount of pigment in her skin.

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And look at the Cabinet he's appointed. Also top notch, so they could carry on if the worst happens. CEO's talk about hiring the right people and getting out of their way. Biden has done that. And then remember the fiasco of Trump's totally unschooled, unprincipled and unfit appointees.

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She's incredibly smart. I miss her in the Senate, to be honest, because she's got a rapier wit and just tears into the thuggery with such skill. My gut says she'd make a great president. My gut also wonders if she'd get in any other way than Biden passing away during his second term, because of the chromosome/pigment combination.

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Fast forward to late Aug of 2024 and we’re on our way to finding out! Amazing to read your comments on here from back then and know where we are now! Do you play the lottery Charles? lol!

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republicans vilify her just like they do any powerful woman, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary, anyone who is a threat, people fall for it

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I wish I could argue that point. I don't know how she'd fare as a candidate. Probably not great. But I think she'd be fine as president. And, frankly, an incompetent normal person, no matter the gender or race, is far superior to Trump.

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Agree, what's so bad if something goes awry with Joe? Kamala will step up....why do people act like it's not an option?A black an Indian woman have power in a country run by white men? Not gonna happen, not now anyway and that's a big shame

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Rebecca Solnit said it best: Voting is a chess move, not a Valentine.

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I'm going to remember that one!

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Are they smart enough to know what chess is?

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Presumably all the people complaining that Biden’s 1) too old; 2) not taking the right stance on Israel/Palestine or the environment etc are. Looking at you Jill Stein…..

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I love this! Do you remember which book it's from?

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In a piece for the Nation: her exact words were “I think of voting as a chess move, not a valentine.”

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I should add that I'm not concerned about Biden being fit for office. I'm concerned about him WINNING.

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Kim, perfectly said. Thank you. I shall use that one. “Not a time to quible over what *might* happen with Biden when we *know* what will happen with Trump.”

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It’s a way to try and suppress the youth vote—straight out of the Russian/troll farm playbook.

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The amount of vote shaming too many Dems indulge in is also a massive turn-off to the young adults I know. It's difficult enough for human beings to feel motivated enough by negatives to act, but it's even more demotivating/suppressing for people new to the franchise. Add in the line-lengthening tricks the party pulled at universities during the pres. primary in California, or Obama's painfully obvious intervention just before Super Tuesday, and we'll have a generation convinced the game is rigged on behalf of the DNC's pre-approved choice. That's really bad.

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You are pulling right from the same troll playbook here. As soon as you said “DNC’s choice” I knew you weren’t serious and are just another agitator.

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Oh, baloney. It *is* a problem, and one that stretches back to Tammany Hall if you want to look at it long-term. It's pretty clear that another wild card upset like Obama in 2008 is the last thing the party wants. I think they are overplaying it. 2020 was so heavy-handed, only the rosy-lensed couldn't see it.

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Same here, Charles. I've been screaming at the top of my lungs since 2015 about this guy. He's Hitler re-booted. It boggles my mind that so few of us see this, hear this, KNOW this! But there are people in my life - mostly so-called Christians, for what THAT'S worth - who insist I'm the delusional one, that I'm the one not seeing and hearing the truth. I just don't know what to do anymore. We need more than just the Vote; this is headed towards uncharted territory.

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People called me delusional when I said in 2015-2016 that Trump’s campaign speeches were Hitler-like. I guess I proved them wrong.

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I wrote a short story in 2015 about a family who notices a Muslim family's house stacking up mail outside. I never tried to publish it. Tine to update it.

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I'll look forward to reading it!

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Believe it or not, I actually followed up on this. It's on Medium. Here is a "friend" link so that you don't need to be a subscriber to read it:

https://medium.com/ruminato/what-would-a-second-trump-term-look-like-e1e5e6e20a7a?sk=17178d5f89fea4e1c882ee866f2b832e

I'll post this as a substack note, too.

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Thank you, Charles!! I have to go take care of my parents right now, but I'll get to it before the day's out.

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Great, thanks, have a great holiday, and please share it if it freaks you out, lol.

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Copy paste from my comment to Daniel above:

Believe it or not, I actually followed up on this. It's on Medium. Here is a "friend" link so that you don't need to be a subscriber to read it:

https://medium.com/ruminato/what-would-a-second-trump-term-look-like-e1e5e6e20a7a?sk=17178d5f89fea4e1c882ee866f2b832e

I'll post this as a substack note, too.

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It's really good! I like that you told the story from the perspective of a single-issue voter who votes for Trump. This is a scary, scary, story, and I hope like hell that it remains fictional.

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Agreed...the "break-glass" moment occurred years ago...we're just living through the predictable fallout.

Because the media refused to center the truth, and Democratic leadership refused to clearly explain the stakes, the country is in a freefall.

It's untenable that every election is a race to save democracy, without fixing the underlying fault lines.

Most telling is the implosion of GenZ as a pro-democracy voting block. GenZ turnout in Ohio, where abortion was literally on the ballot, was 12%.

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My younger Zoomer is just finally old enough to vote. The late edge of the cohort is still only 11 or 12. Don't count them all out yet! :-)

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Hitler got the Christian churches to support him.

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To the few TRUE Christians in this country, I apologize. But the majority has already been compromised. They are NOT coming back any time soon. I was a Deacon at my church in 2015 when the rumblings began. A minor annoyance, you know? But by 2016, it became unbearable. I lasted til just after the election. I tried to point out the hypocrisy, but was basically ostracized. Left the church, never to look back. They're gone; all those people - gone.

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I agree with you completely concerning Tuberville's military blocks. What better way for Trump to replace acting place holders in the military with his own people? I would like to think that I am being overly paranoid here and would welcome thoughts to the contrary.

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There is nothing too far fetched when someone is evoking Hitler. Rick Wilson said on a podcast with Molly Jong-Fast that there are members of Tuberville’s staff who are hard core Bannonites. I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan is intentional sabotage of the military.

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If so, the plan is working. If Trump is re-elected somehow, there will be all of those vacant military appointments to make with Trump-loyal soldiers to carry out his orders and rat on those who still resist.

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Nice to see you coming around on that.

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You are not being paranoid. Tuberville is doing to the military leadership what McConnel did to the Supreme Court. He is holding open the seats of power till his party gets control then they will flood those seats with likeminded sycophants (Mike Flynn styled authoritarians) to do their bidding.

This is not a theory, this is a deliberate (and demonstrated) tactic to subvert the constitutional process.

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So why the hell does the media keep parroting his straw dog anti abortion rhetoric as his rationale for what he is doing? It drives me nuts.

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Follow the money.

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Sadly, I think IdahoKat below is right. They are chasing the money. One of the downsides to capitalism.

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*above

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Absolutely! McConnell got away with it, I still don’t understand how, and now they’re using the same tactic on our military. In 2024, we must clean house of all the GQP MAGA nuts and banish them from politics forever. If we lose, America is lost.

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100%

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I will second that you are not at all being paranoid; and many people believe that this has nothing to do with the abortion issue and more to do with keeping the slots open for Trump loyalists.

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So let's say Trump does not win (yeah!!!), How long can this go on with Tuberville? Isn't there a limit to this type of behavior?

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I have no idea, Jeanne. To me this seems preposterous, and the Senate must figure out a way around this.

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Trumps a globalist TOOL! An AshkeNAZI Crypto Jew whose grandfather & father were NAZI’s in Germany named DRUMPT. His hero is Hitler according to his first wife Ivana in a Vanity Fair article. Google it. He will be Hitler or Caligula on steroids. He’s also a third Gen bastard Royal. They’re protected down to 3 rd generations and why he boasted he can kill someone and get away with it. I’m sure he already has.

He’s using witchcraft to mind control his base. Hand mudras is just one way. Hitler was also a 3 gen bastard Royal. That said Biden’s a publicly admitted ZIONIST and DC is FULL of ZIONIST. I think their American ‘experiment’ is over.

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Can we please just stop with the assumption that Biden is going to die tomorrow. He is old, yes, but I should wish to be able to keep up with his schedule.

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Plus, Trump is almost the same age, and not in as good shape. Unless he’s in a Georgia holding cell 😳

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I agree with your sentiments and wrote a Medium piece about it. But it's not me you need to convince.

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I’d vote for anyone who ran against Trump. Hitler said EXACTLY what he would do in Mein Kampf, and people loved at it as just hypothetical. But yet, as soon as the economy collapsed, he started in with his propaganda, and the people, not knowing where to turn, turned to the Nazi Party to get a change in the government, which ultimately led to Hitler being appointed Chancellor.

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I think everyone here would. The question for me with Biden comes down to winning. If gas prices are $5 a gallon, do you trust the American people to make the right choice? I wish I could say I do.

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I don’t trust them to do more than what’s right in the moment, but only what might save them money. The average American has short memories and horrible foresight, and i’m sure they will vote for whoever promises them the world.

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And I'm seeing the House budget debacle as maybe a way to cause our economy to collapse. This, along with Tuberville's holds on the military and the lack of State Department appointees, seems to be just another way to engineer chaos before the 2024 election.

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I never lived full-time in NYC - only part time in 1979 for work. And yet, I've been aware of the danger of trump for years. His antisemitism, his racism [some additional glorious vindication for one of the Central Park 5 who was elected to the NYC Council https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/07/yusef-salaam-nyc-council-seat-central-park-five], his misogyny. We have a responsibility to make all this known and loudly and to work to ensure those who can stop this are registered to vote and vote.

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Me, too, because I know 2 people who had to deal with him and his threats for over 20 years. Another friend was installing an art piece in his apartment and could literally smell fear on him. When he slithered down his golden staircase in 2015, I knew we were doomed.

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