It shows progress for women's rights despite the right wing extremist efforts to roll them back. Just ten years ago, a measure like this may have passed. In fact Republicans used anti-abortion folks to win elections, and now it's backfiring on them instead. Let's hope the same holds true for their anti-gay/trans pretentious morality garb…
It shows progress for women's rights despite the right wing extremist efforts to roll them back. Just ten years ago, a measure like this may have passed. In fact Republicans used anti-abortion folks to win elections, and now it's backfiring on them instead. Let's hope the same holds true for their anti-gay/trans pretentious morality garbage and their invasion of schools to try to teach ignorance and hate.
Since critical thinking doesn’t work well for them, they are now doing their damndest to ban books that nurture fairness, inclusiveness and having an open and active mind.
Jean you are so correct!! it's not only anti-abortion when they tried to kill Roe v Wade, it's more of a death sentence for Women who have something go wrong with their pregnancy and we all know this. Urrg
Without Dobbs there would not have been the need for such a measure, women's civil rights were protected under Roe v Wade. But the thinking around abortion has changed to the majority becoming pro-choice, whereas in the past the majority was with the anti-abortion crowd. They cause more death but call themselves pro life. More people are getting wise to them, and that change has been more gradual than sudden.
I wish the anti abortion people would stop call ing themselves pro life. Considering their support for the NRA and arms manufacturers, the death penalty, forced birth, and lack of support for education, child and family welfare, and letting pregnant people who need care come to the brink of death, they are about as pro life as a mass murderer.
The abortion debate was always problematic in that it cast this as a black-and-white issue, while in reality the majority is neither opposed to all abortion nor fully pro-abortion, but somewhere in the middle. The only thing that's changed is that the other end of the spectrum (and then the extremists of even that) suddenly got the upper hand.
It is pretty black and white. Either a woman has the right to choose abortion or she doesn't and the state gets to interfere with that choice and even charge her with murder. The setting a month of pregnancy when the state gets to interfere is not a shade of gray, it's still denying a woman's choice based upon religious theory and not civil law.
Your statement illustrates the very point I'm trying to make. You are reducing it to "either a woman has the right to choose abortion regardless of the month of pregnancy or she gets charged with murder". But there are a gazillion options between those two extremes, and the vast majority of Americans would feel more comfortable with those (I read somewhere that something like 60% of the population wants neither extreme).
A woman having the ability to choose an abortion or not is the current issue. The birth control options are part of that same issue, the right to choose what is right for her in her situation as opposed to having the government step in and criminalize her choice.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But you won't get the majority of the country to agree with that maximalist position. Especially when you don't even acknowledge the vast space in between.
Well, you know what the old song says, don't mess with Mr. In Between. It is either women are trusted to do what's right for them, or they are policed by people who are arrogant enough to believe they have the right to make her decisions for her.
Pew Research polled on that last year, and only 19% of the population agreed with Jean. 63% supported abortion in some, but not all, cases, with varying degrees of restrictions.
I agree, no one has the right to kill their children, but the unborn are not human beings or offspring as you term it, at the point abortion generally occurs. They are a potential for life that requires a woman to make a decision to risk her life to bring them to fruition, to give her body to nurture that potential. A potential is not a fully formed human being and should not be assigned civil rights over that of the woman who has the right to decide to make the sacrifices necessary to ensure that the formation continues. Nobody can or should force anybody else to take that risk against their will, and no matter how safe you perceive pregnancy, there is a risk, and in fact it's been rising in recent years in the United States.. Jesus believed and taught that life begins at the first breath, which would be around week 34, not week 12, when the lungs are formed, not when a heart cell beats. Heart cells beat in a Petri dish or in a corpse. Oxygen enables a brain to function, so the first breath makes more sense to me. When oxygen does not get to the brain, for prolonged periods of time, that is brain death. Nobody is murdering anybody when a woman chooses to have an abortion. The people who try to inflict shame and guilt upon her hurt women. The people who rile people up into hysteria so they kill doctors and patients at clinics they attack or bomb are the ones who are killing people and hurting people, often people who are far more intelligent and caring who help many others through their lifetimes than these extremists who feel they are so holy and right.
It shows progress for women's rights despite the right wing extremist efforts to roll them back. Just ten years ago, a measure like this may have passed. In fact Republicans used anti-abortion folks to win elections, and now it's backfiring on them instead. Let's hope the same holds true for their anti-gay/trans pretentious morality garbage and their invasion of schools to try to teach ignorance and hate.
Since critical thinking doesn’t work well for them, they are now doing their damndest to ban books that nurture fairness, inclusiveness and having an open and active mind.
Jean you are so correct!! it's not only anti-abortion when they tried to kill Roe v Wade, it's more of a death sentence for Women who have something go wrong with their pregnancy and we all know this. Urrg
Not just ten years ago. One year ago, such a measure might have passed. It's not so much progress in general, but specifically Dobbs.
Without Dobbs there would not have been the need for such a measure, women's civil rights were protected under Roe v Wade. But the thinking around abortion has changed to the majority becoming pro-choice, whereas in the past the majority was with the anti-abortion crowd. They cause more death but call themselves pro life. More people are getting wise to them, and that change has been more gradual than sudden.
I wish the anti abortion people would stop call ing themselves pro life. Considering their support for the NRA and arms manufacturers, the death penalty, forced birth, and lack of support for education, child and family welfare, and letting pregnant people who need care come to the brink of death, they are about as pro life as a mass murderer.
The abortion debate was always problematic in that it cast this as a black-and-white issue, while in reality the majority is neither opposed to all abortion nor fully pro-abortion, but somewhere in the middle. The only thing that's changed is that the other end of the spectrum (and then the extremists of even that) suddenly got the upper hand.
It is pretty black and white. Either a woman has the right to choose abortion or she doesn't and the state gets to interfere with that choice and even charge her with murder. The setting a month of pregnancy when the state gets to interfere is not a shade of gray, it's still denying a woman's choice based upon religious theory and not civil law.
Your statement illustrates the very point I'm trying to make. You are reducing it to "either a woman has the right to choose abortion regardless of the month of pregnancy or she gets charged with murder". But there are a gazillion options between those two extremes, and the vast majority of Americans would feel more comfortable with those (I read somewhere that something like 60% of the population wants neither extreme).
A woman having the ability to choose an abortion or not is the current issue. The birth control options are part of that same issue, the right to choose what is right for her in her situation as opposed to having the government step in and criminalize her choice.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But you won't get the majority of the country to agree with that maximalist position. Especially when you don't even acknowledge the vast space in between.
Well, you know what the old song says, don't mess with Mr. In Between. It is either women are trusted to do what's right for them, or they are policed by people who are arrogant enough to believe they have the right to make her decisions for her.
Pew Research polled on that last year, and only 19% of the population agreed with Jean. 63% supported abortion in some, but not all, cases, with varying degrees of restrictions.
I am a woman and I do not have the right to kill my offspring. Those are not women's rights. Some women's crimes, perhaps.
I agree, no one has the right to kill their children, but the unborn are not human beings or offspring as you term it, at the point abortion generally occurs. They are a potential for life that requires a woman to make a decision to risk her life to bring them to fruition, to give her body to nurture that potential. A potential is not a fully formed human being and should not be assigned civil rights over that of the woman who has the right to decide to make the sacrifices necessary to ensure that the formation continues. Nobody can or should force anybody else to take that risk against their will, and no matter how safe you perceive pregnancy, there is a risk, and in fact it's been rising in recent years in the United States.. Jesus believed and taught that life begins at the first breath, which would be around week 34, not week 12, when the lungs are formed, not when a heart cell beats. Heart cells beat in a Petri dish or in a corpse. Oxygen enables a brain to function, so the first breath makes more sense to me. When oxygen does not get to the brain, for prolonged periods of time, that is brain death. Nobody is murdering anybody when a woman chooses to have an abortion. The people who try to inflict shame and guilt upon her hurt women. The people who rile people up into hysteria so they kill doctors and patients at clinics they attack or bomb are the ones who are killing people and hurting people, often people who are far more intelligent and caring who help many others through their lifetimes than these extremists who feel they are so holy and right.