The Cheese's brash cynicism and trying to be clever by half comes over so clearly in the emails and memos you've cited. A man - and "officer of the court" - who perverted his oath as a lawyer in order to serve grossly undemocratic ends in an entirely amoral fashion really suggested that for whatever reason, Cheese's moral compass badly malfunctioned. However one tries to dissect his motives, the upshot of his advisements were plainly illegal, and he could not legitimately argue in court that what he and others were concocting were "hypotheticals", or "what-if" gaming-out. Well, Chesebro has found out to his regret that Rule One remains intact: Whatever tRump touches, dies.
Very true! In fact, it suggests either that they are already cooperating, or that they are simply hoping that the feds will take their guilty plea into account and not charge them in the D.C. matter. But I wouldn’t count on that…
The Status Kuo is worth every cent of the subscription...I walk away with a clear understanding of what's going on. Much respect for Willis, Smith and the legal minds who are working methodically to maintain the rule of law! Thanks, Jay. Excellent.
I’m restraining myself from any “irrational exuberance” here, but it’s tough. My question for you Jay, is will the evidence Ms. Willis garners as the result of these plea deals ever be publicly available? If it isn’t presented in open court in other trials, can it be considered part of the public record? (Rubbing hands, sparkling eyes, smiling and a spring in my step.)
If it’s not presented in court, I’m not sure that it will become public record. I don’t know what confidentiality arrangements have or have not been made around them, if any.
Great stuff here! Question: Do the disbarment proceedings start now? The idea of these people continuing to practice law is an insult to the entire profession!
So far my only disappointment is that they have not been disbarred. But would you want to hire a lawyer that just plead guilty to multiple felonies (no matter how cunning the plan, he was caught) and in turn turned on his employer for a deal? And why would anyone ever want to hire Powell? She's bat shit crazy on a good day.
There have been quite a few maga-cult members picking up on Chesebro's lawyer saying he doesn't feel any of Chesebro's evidence is damaging to trump. Glenn Kirschner added that the evidence must actually be VERY damaging to trump, but no lawyer would endanger his client's life by saying that on a morning talk show. Set. Game. Match.
My lawyer believes I’m entitled to settlement from Trump for making me live through this insanity of the past 8 years, a very large settlement, indeed.
These people are under the delusion that Trump represents the White Hats, as they are called. They travel around to fringe fanatical groups and announce that the "plan of God" is being brought into manifestation through Trump. Years ago they said they had restored all the gold back to the US and anyone could sue the govt to get some of the gold. People were salivating at the idea-after all "their" cause was just. If you listen to MTG as she talks about God's plan it reveals this fanatical element.I knew someone who attended a meeting recently held by such a group and they told how the "New" world would bring justice and get rid of tyrants. In the end such as in the case of the gold recovery-the feds busted the group up and volumes of false claims against the government were displayed. Useful Idiots.
Create an illusion, misdirection and distraction, blame everyone else for acts you yourself (and the militias you invited) are doing... And then like "magic" you (and your Republicans in Congress) steal the election and install yourself as King be sure to fire everyone who doesn't agree with what you did. It's all in writing and/or filmed, we just have to pray that the jury questionnaire asks 'where do you get your news?' to try to ensure all FOX NEwS and other RWNJ viewers are not made jurors, as those broadcasts acted 'in furtherance' so IMO were co conspirators, they just didn't get charged.
I loved watching the Black female prosecutor reading the charges to Kenneth Chesebro, so damning every one of them, and hearing him clearly admit his guilt and crimes! She was in control, and it was a victory for justice.
Question, Jay... You mentioned a couple of times that the guilty pleas save Willis from having to show her hand in court for the defense to take notes, but doesn't the prosecution have to provide their evidence to the defense anyway? Isn't that a rule? (Great piece today, BTW. Thanks).
I believe they must share the evidence, but not how prosecution is putting the pieces together and what the approach will be. Being given a list of ingredients to make a dish but not being given information on the methods, timing, or temperature.
My sense is that the other - and more important - thing is that, afaik, the exchange of evidence material/information which will be introduced at trial (the discovery process) doesn't commence until a trial actually begins - during "pre-trial activities" - and isn't subject to public disclosure or FOIA access before trial.
The key point relates to the timing of the information-sharing; valuable information won't emerge until after the remaining trials are already firmly underway. There's no benefit to defendants' cases resulting from the settlement of these prior "speedy trial" cases, except that, of course, they can generally observe through their own eyes and ears that there are consequences from which "privilege" nor proximity to power will insulate them.
Any remaining defendants aren't entitled to discovery evidence until their respective trial (In GA they'll be tried together) actually begins.
All the various webs of grift are difficult to follow, which is why I'll repeat that I just wait for your explanations. And I'm not really a dummy about legal stuff. When I was young, I wrote my own replevin case against a shady auto repair shop and won, even though I'm no lawyer. The judge even commended me for how well written my motion was. And still — this web of intrigue is so convoluted that the only way to follow it is to study it intensely or read your stuff. So, many thanks there.
A RICO case involving guns and gangs seems somewhat easy to prosecute if the facts are there. Also, there's usually murder involved. That's a line in the sand for most people, even MAGAts. But a lot of this stuff is gonna seem nebulous to a jury. Willis' pleas are critically important in that respect. Even the sharpest minds in a jury might tune out to a lot of this stuff involving the smaller players. I was hoping for these plea deals, and they're happening.
My only real concern is if The Orange Puffaroon's lawyers can establish that the Cheese was deceiving Trump and telling him what he wanted to hear. Would not that then aid his "advice of counsel" defense? If his lawyer was leading him astray? In reading this post, it sounds like Willis will be able to establish through documentation that the Orange Puff *knew* Cheese knew it was all a grift. But it still looks like a little dicey.
My gut says Willis has the Predator in Chief dead to rights, but as long as he's free and flapping his lips and posting his inanities on his financially and morally bankrupt social media site, I'll be worried for the worst.
Jay already addressed this near the end of today’s newsletter --- “White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, his deputy Pat Philbin, their senior colleague Eric Herschmann, the acting attorney general and his deputies, and Trump campaign lawyers had all rejected the theory.” Add to that the fact that even the “one percent” guy has admitted the plan was bogus and part of an illegal conspiracy to overturn the election, and Trump will have real problems maintaining any kind of “advice of counsel” defense.”
I believe there’s also another first-hand quote from someone “in the room“ that Trump told his White House counsel, in affect, that they were “offering him nothing” but THESE guys were offering a plan of action.
Yes, I saw that. The question, though, becomes the classic, "What did Trump know and when did he know it?" Was Trump AWARE that Cheese's shenanigans were phony? I think you and I know the answer to this. Trump has always been aware that the whole thing was fiction. But did Cheese tell Trump otherwise? Did he suggest to Trump that this was a viable plan of attack, despite the 1 in 100 chance that it was?
Like I said, my gut tells me that Willis entire strategy is to expose Trump as the liar he is. I'm hopeful. But also, like I said, he's slippery as an eel.
I think it will be easy to show he knew that Chesebro’s plan was illegal but did it anyway, choosing it over what all his other official White House attorneys were advising. And ultimately Trump insists it was his decision, so that’s bad, too, for his advice of counsel defense.
Works for me. I live in Fulton County. If only there was a way to volunteer for jury duty for a specific trial. Although in this case, they'd need set up a lottery system.
I was wondering how long it would take before Trump argued that he didn’t even know who Powell and Chesebro were. Sure enough, he threw Powell overboard last weekend. Will Chesebro be next? This is exactly how Mafia dons work.
It could come back to bite him. After all, the federal indictment para 20 has Trump’s assistant insisting in an email to Powell that she put the stuff about Dominion into the lawsuits. Sounds like she was his lawyer to me!
Oh the irony and beauty of tRump being tossed under the bus before he had the chance to do the tossing. Of course cue him saying "I never liked them, they are bad, bad people. I knew they couldn't be trusted so of course I never hired them".
As always thank you for the break down. Making legaleze understandable and funny :)
The Cheese's brash cynicism and trying to be clever by half comes over so clearly in the emails and memos you've cited. A man - and "officer of the court" - who perverted his oath as a lawyer in order to serve grossly undemocratic ends in an entirely amoral fashion really suggested that for whatever reason, Cheese's moral compass badly malfunctioned. However one tries to dissect his motives, the upshot of his advisements were plainly illegal, and he could not legitimately argue in court that what he and others were concocting were "hypotheticals", or "what-if" gaming-out. Well, Chesebro has found out to his regret that Rule One remains intact: Whatever tRump touches, dies.
He appears very arrogant like the rest of the repugnants and dumpster!! They all need to be taken down a few pegs !!
First, I love the headline! Second, just because they set a plea deal in Georgia doesn’t mean they are off the hook with Jack Smith.
Very true! In fact, it suggests either that they are already cooperating, or that they are simply hoping that the feds will take their guilty plea into account and not charge them in the D.C. matter. But I wouldn’t count on that…
Exactly. State is state, and federal is federal. So.... that's not going anywhere. They might still end up in a nice, cozy federal prison cell.
Except, who got pardons from tRump?
How does an un-indicted coconspirator get a pardon?
If they're indicted Federally.
Jordan asked for a pardon. Kinda sounds like an admission of guilt to me.
The Status Kuo is worth every cent of the subscription...I walk away with a clear understanding of what's going on. Much respect for Willis, Smith and the legal minds who are working methodically to maintain the rule of law! Thanks, Jay. Excellent.
Thank you for supporting!
Cheeseboro is a double eggs Benedict Arnold. Waffling between left and right, he let both sides down, but he’s really cooked Trump’s bacon.
Now I'm hungry for breakfast.
Now that's some sorta breakfast!
I worked up an appetite reading this comment!
I’m restraining myself from any “irrational exuberance” here, but it’s tough. My question for you Jay, is will the evidence Ms. Willis garners as the result of these plea deals ever be publicly available? If it isn’t presented in open court in other trials, can it be considered part of the public record? (Rubbing hands, sparkling eyes, smiling and a spring in my step.)
If it’s not presented in court, I’m not sure that it will become public record. I don’t know what confidentiality arrangements have or have not been made around them, if any.
Thx
Great stuff here! Question: Do the disbarment proceedings start now? The idea of these people continuing to practice law is an insult to the entire profession!
I believe there is already a complain underway against Powell in Texas.
So far my only disappointment is that they have not been disbarred. But would you want to hire a lawyer that just plead guilty to multiple felonies (no matter how cunning the plan, he was caught) and in turn turned on his employer for a deal? And why would anyone ever want to hire Powell? She's bat shit crazy on a good day.
I will bet disbarment is in the future.
I would hope. I would hope you can't continue practicing law once you've pled guilty to breaking it.
Unlikely, the deal allows for the charges to be expunged after the period of probation.
There have been quite a few maga-cult members picking up on Chesebro's lawyer saying he doesn't feel any of Chesebro's evidence is damaging to trump. Glenn Kirschner added that the evidence must actually be VERY damaging to trump, but no lawyer would endanger his client's life by saying that on a morning talk show. Set. Game. Match.
Yes, I’ve been listening to his lawyer, and he’s careful to insert, “I believe” before a lot of his statements. But what he believes is irrelevant.
My lawyer believes I’m entitled to settlement from Trump for making me live through this insanity of the past 8 years, a very large settlement, indeed.
The generous terms of the plea deal for sure indicate a pretty devastating trail of evidence against the mouth of methane.
Agreed, but the cult members refuse to hear any bad news.
These people are under the delusion that Trump represents the White Hats, as they are called. They travel around to fringe fanatical groups and announce that the "plan of God" is being brought into manifestation through Trump. Years ago they said they had restored all the gold back to the US and anyone could sue the govt to get some of the gold. People were salivating at the idea-after all "their" cause was just. If you listen to MTG as she talks about God's plan it reveals this fanatical element.I knew someone who attended a meeting recently held by such a group and they told how the "New" world would bring justice and get rid of tyrants. In the end such as in the case of the gold recovery-the feds busted the group up and volumes of false claims against the government were displayed. Useful Idiots.
"White Hats" = Cone Hats, with matching sheets.
😂 thank you for that! So funny!
Oh, I know. He'll be their martyr when he's in prison.
📌 (smiling) good morning happy week.)
Create an illusion, misdirection and distraction, blame everyone else for acts you yourself (and the militias you invited) are doing... And then like "magic" you (and your Republicans in Congress) steal the election and install yourself as King be sure to fire everyone who doesn't agree with what you did. It's all in writing and/or filmed, we just have to pray that the jury questionnaire asks 'where do you get your news?' to try to ensure all FOX NEwS and other RWNJ viewers are not made jurors, as those broadcasts acted 'in furtherance' so IMO were co conspirators, they just didn't get charged.
I love the poetic justice here: the former guy is getting squewered by an African American Woman. Two groups he has loved to demean and discount.
I loved watching the Black female prosecutor reading the charges to Kenneth Chesebro, so damning every one of them, and hearing him clearly admit his guilt and crimes! She was in control, and it was a victory for justice.
He's getting skewered by a BUNCH of African American women -- Tisha James, Fani Willis, Tanya Chutkan! Yippee!
Question, Jay... You mentioned a couple of times that the guilty pleas save Willis from having to show her hand in court for the defense to take notes, but doesn't the prosecution have to provide their evidence to the defense anyway? Isn't that a rule? (Great piece today, BTW. Thanks).
They do. But it gets turned over in 2 TB of data. The heat of the evidence isn’t clear, and that would only come from a road map of the trial.
I believe they must share the evidence, but not how prosecution is putting the pieces together and what the approach will be. Being given a list of ingredients to make a dish but not being given information on the methods, timing, or temperature.
This is how I cook 😂
My sense is that the other - and more important - thing is that, afaik, the exchange of evidence material/information which will be introduced at trial (the discovery process) doesn't commence until a trial actually begins - during "pre-trial activities" - and isn't subject to public disclosure or FOIA access before trial.
The key point relates to the timing of the information-sharing; valuable information won't emerge until after the remaining trials are already firmly underway. There's no benefit to defendants' cases resulting from the settlement of these prior "speedy trial" cases, except that, of course, they can generally observe through their own eyes and ears that there are consequences from which "privilege" nor proximity to power will insulate them.
Any remaining defendants aren't entitled to discovery evidence until their respective trial (In GA they'll be tried together) actually begins.
Makes sense, although I imagine any defense attorney worth their salt could extrapolate. Thanks.
Yeah, but tfg's lawyers...?
Welp indeed!! Thanks for another thorough analysis!
"Yours in service" strikes again! ;)
All the various webs of grift are difficult to follow, which is why I'll repeat that I just wait for your explanations. And I'm not really a dummy about legal stuff. When I was young, I wrote my own replevin case against a shady auto repair shop and won, even though I'm no lawyer. The judge even commended me for how well written my motion was. And still — this web of intrigue is so convoluted that the only way to follow it is to study it intensely or read your stuff. So, many thanks there.
A RICO case involving guns and gangs seems somewhat easy to prosecute if the facts are there. Also, there's usually murder involved. That's a line in the sand for most people, even MAGAts. But a lot of this stuff is gonna seem nebulous to a jury. Willis' pleas are critically important in that respect. Even the sharpest minds in a jury might tune out to a lot of this stuff involving the smaller players. I was hoping for these plea deals, and they're happening.
My only real concern is if The Orange Puffaroon's lawyers can establish that the Cheese was deceiving Trump and telling him what he wanted to hear. Would not that then aid his "advice of counsel" defense? If his lawyer was leading him astray? In reading this post, it sounds like Willis will be able to establish through documentation that the Orange Puff *knew* Cheese knew it was all a grift. But it still looks like a little dicey.
My gut says Willis has the Predator in Chief dead to rights, but as long as he's free and flapping his lips and posting his inanities on his financially and morally bankrupt social media site, I'll be worried for the worst.
Jay already addressed this near the end of today’s newsletter --- “White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, his deputy Pat Philbin, their senior colleague Eric Herschmann, the acting attorney general and his deputies, and Trump campaign lawyers had all rejected the theory.” Add to that the fact that even the “one percent” guy has admitted the plan was bogus and part of an illegal conspiracy to overturn the election, and Trump will have real problems maintaining any kind of “advice of counsel” defense.”
I believe there’s also another first-hand quote from someone “in the room“ that Trump told his White House counsel, in affect, that they were “offering him nothing” but THESE guys were offering a plan of action.
Yes, I saw that. The question, though, becomes the classic, "What did Trump know and when did he know it?" Was Trump AWARE that Cheese's shenanigans were phony? I think you and I know the answer to this. Trump has always been aware that the whole thing was fiction. But did Cheese tell Trump otherwise? Did he suggest to Trump that this was a viable plan of attack, despite the 1 in 100 chance that it was?
Like I said, my gut tells me that Willis entire strategy is to expose Trump as the liar he is. I'm hopeful. But also, like I said, he's slippery as an eel.
I think it will be easy to show he knew that Chesebro’s plan was illegal but did it anyway, choosing it over what all his other official White House attorneys were advising. And ultimately Trump insists it was his decision, so that’s bad, too, for his advice of counsel defense.
Works for me. I live in Fulton County. If only there was a way to volunteer for jury duty for a specific trial. Although in this case, they'd need set up a lottery system.
I was wondering how long it would take before Trump argued that he didn’t even know who Powell and Chesebro were. Sure enough, he threw Powell overboard last weekend. Will Chesebro be next? This is exactly how Mafia dons work.
It could come back to bite him. After all, the federal indictment para 20 has Trump’s assistant insisting in an email to Powell that she put the stuff about Dominion into the lawsuits. Sounds like she was his lawyer to me!
I don't think he really did know her all that well but that doesn't matter-he found her useful and empowered her.
Awesome title!
Oh the irony and beauty of tRump being tossed under the bus before he had the chance to do the tossing. Of course cue him saying "I never liked them, they are bad, bad people. I knew they couldn't be trusted so of course I never hired them".
As always thank you for the break down. Making legaleze understandable and funny :)