The people worrying about this suit are stupidly not taking into account the fact that Fox will lie about Hunter Biden from now until Election Day (really, until Biden leaves office) anyway. In fact you can set your calendar to a “new revelation” coming out about him in late October. It’s good to get “Fox News lies” into the national bloodstream now.
The “advisors” who are worried about this are, I’m sure, the same elderly Democrats who have been worried about fighting back against Republicans for 40 years now, while Republicans have virtually taken over the country despite maybe 10-30 percent of the country agreeing with them on any given issue.
This elderly Democrat has been as dismayed as the rest by the inability/unwillingness of our candidates and office holders to fight back against Republican lies and innuendo. I am happy, relieved and proud to see Dems FINALLY calling the Rethuglicans on their lies. 'Bout time.
Sorry; I don’t mean to lump everyone in with that crowd. It’s just infuriating to me that there are still people involved in politics in the year of our lord 20 and 24 who still think Fox News is some fringe weirdo outfit you’re better off ignoring.
Do October surprises even matter anymore? Trump generates an October surprise almost every day, and conservative voters just shrug their shoulders and ask how soon they can vote for him again.
It’s about damn time the democrats started fighting back. Now if the MSM would stop with giving both sides of known lies and stop with trump news all the time. Make him buy coverage instead of giving it to him for free.
An October surprise arguably mattered in 2016 with Comey's announcement. But, you're right, nothing Trump does is going to affect his voters. You could also make a case that Hunter Biden news is mainly going to only matter to Trump's faithful.
I do, they have treated a recovering addict pretty damn shamefully, trying to get him to relapse, or kill himself, they are ghouls. But yes, Roevember is top priority.
Jay's article mentions the Biden stuff being a bit of an October surprise, but Trump has had almost 4 more years to numb us. One thing remains true, though: What would never hurt Trump could hurt Biden, which shows how warped and numb people are to Trump's malfeasance.
I believe it does for those undecided especially. I've seen my Republican family & friends make their final decisions on them. It's the principles of first & last, likeu n a trial. What comes up last & closest to the time to vote is freshest in mind and seems to have an outsized impact on fence sitters as they head to vote.
Yes, indeed! Plus, if he stands up, puts his cards on the table and fights back, they can't spin the story of: "Why does he remain silent?" What is he hiding?" "If all the allegations are false, why doesn't he fight back"? Good for Hunter to demonstrate his great name: Be the Hunter. Not the Hunted!
This poor man has had such a difficult life, all my sympathies are with him. It makes me sick to see Republicans torturing this private citizen. I'm glad to see him finally fight back.
I agree. They have mercilessly smeared this guy for years. Can anyone ever have imagined that someone from the GOP Congress would show naked photos of the presidents son??!! No just No
It's about time and I bet that a lot of dirty laundry that the GOP and Orange Garbage do NOT want people to see.
Speaking of "striking back", Judge Juan Merchan let fly at defendant tRump by hitting him with a $9K fine AND an explicit warning that should he persist in violating the judge's gag order, incarceration may be in order...WOW!
You know what would be great? It won’t happen but wish it would. That the PUNISHMENT given to Fox News would be - at minimum- the firing of those that lied the most often, but even better - THE TOTAL REMOVAL OF THE FOX NETWORK FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
I would rather see each and every one of the anchors, and I used that term loosely, since the inception of the network to be ordered by a judge to individually record a statement admitting to each and every lie they and their network have spread, each and every person, law, rule, and process, every government agency, college, school, mass shooting, school shootings, actions taken by other contries to defend themselves, to which they have targeted, and every government official at every level they have lied for, supported, and helped further their political positions, and the network be forced to air each statement, on a loop in addition to commercials, also the commercials supporting lies and treasonous politicians also must be pulled. These statements should also include the salary each person has made, to lie, and how much the network has made for the lies, an apology for lying to the public and a list of the damages they individually and as a network have caused, a summary of every lawsuit they have lost/settled, what it was for and why they lost and/or settled and ones that have yet to be decided. These recorded statements should be ordered to be aired before the start of, during breaks and the end of each show, news break, breaking news, etc.
Just to take them off the air isn't enough. Each individual and the network should be forced to acknowledge the hell they have created just to earn a buck and cause confusion among our most vulnerable and easily manipulated citizens not to mention giving the hateful and bigoted individuals the courage to come out of hiding and act on the rage fox has been responsible for manufacturing for decades.
I am angry as hell about everything they have been allowed to inflict, that they have been unchecked and have not been accountable for any of it because they silently take the hits and just lie about it anyway and continue to lie to the public.
I read and agree with every word. They are all guilty of TREASON. and the punishment for treason is LIFE IN PRISON.
I bet you that if all these people involved....including the scotus and judhe cannon and down were tried and convicted and put in jail FOR LIFE let me tell you the big MFs with tbe big MAGA mouths would undoubtedly STFU and shut that shit down immediately
My husband and I have a couple whom we are very fond of and see frequently. However, they are evangelical Christians and faithful Faux watchers and Dumpy supporters. We never, ever talk politics or religion, though they make the occasional comment. I want to scream at them sometimes: "Do you understand how Fox disrespects you, thinks you're so stupid that they can lie to you without consequences? They even think that you're too stupid to understand or believe the truth." It requires a lot of self-restraint.
My apology was for taking over @rathernot comment with a rather long rant but I absolutely do not apologize for my comment or my views.
When I had my own children I made the choice to parent differently than my parents did. I always made it absolutely clear that we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them, don't repeat them, and don't hurt other's everything would be okay and they wouldn't ever be punished for their mistakes, as long as they owned up to their actions.
Deliberately making the choice to lie, shift blame, gaslight, or any failure to accept responsibility for their choices was for my kids and for people with any semblance of power, absolutely not acceptable, EVER. Deliberately making the choice to lie or intentionally causing anyone else harm was the only time my kids would ever be punished.
I firmly believe that the average parent, at least the average DECENT parent also tries to raise they're kids with a similar ideology, it's how make make decent and productive adult humans. The idea that we should expect or accept less from grown ass adults, in positions of power and our elected officials both disgusts me absolutely blows my damned mind.
I have ranted, yet again, and I can't even promise that I'm done. 🤣😂
It’s a rare child who realizes there’s a better way to be a parent, and then follows through. It isn’t morality that’s usually behind that choice. It comes from love and fairmindedness. I’m happy for you and your family.
Jay Kuo: The GOP has made this the zaniest election ever. I have long wearied of it.
I was fed up 60 years ago in a home that was proto-Q-Anon. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING the GOP does today is anything I hadn't been exposed to 60 years ago, and which in my college years I shed like the stifling straitjacket the Conspiracists were.
After shedding proto-Q-Anon, I have never looked back.
The reason so many fools drink that kool-aid is because of Fundamentalism.
I shed THAT, too, 60 years ago.
I recommend the "Anti-Fundamentalist" Substack by Tia Levings:
You are so right…it is never wrong to stand up for yourself.
Thank you for the great breakdown and analysis.
Hunter has a good attorney and what looks to be a great case. I say good for him!
Keeping in mind President Biden’s speech at the Correspondence Dinner it’s a good time to put those words into action and Hunter is going to make them do it. Integrity in journalism is one of the issues that needs to happen.
Between Mark Geragos and Abbe Lowell, Hunter is finally in extremely capable legal -- shall we say lethal -- hands. Fox had better step up, if they know what's good for them!
With all the pictures of Hunter Biden being touted about by people like MTG I can't believe Joe Biden missed the opportunity at the WH Correspondents Dinner to remark that Hunter sure looked like a chip of the ol' block in those pics... 🍆🐘
Thank you, Jay, for providing clarity once again. Sorry, commenter Travis, I disagree with you. And as a former English teacher I would like to suggest you polish up your rebuttal to post here.
Am I the only one who thinks the timing simply points to Hunter needing the Smirnov arrest to solidify his case against FOX? If that were the inspiration now seems to be about the right time to be ready to file his suit.
Question on the “Speech and Debate clause” protection for MTG. Does that extend to post house member? Can Mr. Biden go after her after she’s voted out of office?
The people worrying about this suit are stupidly not taking into account the fact that Fox will lie about Hunter Biden from now until Election Day (really, until Biden leaves office) anyway. In fact you can set your calendar to a “new revelation” coming out about him in late October. It’s good to get “Fox News lies” into the national bloodstream now.
The “advisors” who are worried about this are, I’m sure, the same elderly Democrats who have been worried about fighting back against Republicans for 40 years now, while Republicans have virtually taken over the country despite maybe 10-30 percent of the country agreeing with them on any given issue.
This elderly Democrat has been as dismayed as the rest by the inability/unwillingness of our candidates and office holders to fight back against Republican lies and innuendo. I am happy, relieved and proud to see Dems FINALLY calling the Rethuglicans on their lies. 'Bout time.
Sorry; I don’t mean to lump everyone in with that crowd. It’s just infuriating to me that there are still people involved in politics in the year of our lord 20 and 24 who still think Fox News is some fringe weirdo outfit you’re better off ignoring.
Like I do! I don't ignore that it exists, but I also don't watch it.
Here, here, agreed!
Agreed. If anything, this suit decreases the chance of an October surprise.
Do October surprises even matter anymore? Trump generates an October surprise almost every day, and conservative voters just shrug their shoulders and ask how soon they can vote for him again.
It’s about damn time the democrats started fighting back. Now if the MSM would stop with giving both sides of known lies and stop with trump news all the time. Make him buy coverage instead of giving it to him for free.
An October surprise arguably mattered in 2016 with Comey's announcement. But, you're right, nothing Trump does is going to affect his voters. You could also make a case that Hunter Biden news is mainly going to only matter to Trump's faithful.
I don't think any women with the word, "Roevember" on their lips is gonna give a turtle's crap about Hunter Biden.
I do, they have treated a recovering addict pretty damn shamefully, trying to get him to relapse, or kill himself, they are ghouls. But yes, Roevember is top priority.
The other thing is that some people actually vote before October or during it, which makes October surprises less likely to be effective.
September Surprise? :-)
Jay's article mentions the Biden stuff being a bit of an October surprise, but Trump has had almost 4 more years to numb us. One thing remains true, though: What would never hurt Trump could hurt Biden, which shows how warped and numb people are to Trump's malfeasance.
Completely agree.
I believe it does for those undecided especially. I've seen my Republican family & friends make their final decisions on them. It's the principles of first & last, likeu n a trial. What comes up last & closest to the time to vote is freshest in mind and seems to have an outsized impact on fence sitters as they head to vote.
Yes, indeed! Plus, if he stands up, puts his cards on the table and fights back, they can't spin the story of: "Why does he remain silent?" What is he hiding?" "If all the allegations are false, why doesn't he fight back"? Good for Hunter to demonstrate his great name: Be the Hunter. Not the Hunted!
Totally agree!
Fox is demonic! They’ll increasingly broadcast more about Hunter if they’re not curtailed!
Well, they've backed down for now and taken a 6 piece story off the menu.
Time to strike back. And the Force be with Him
This poor man has had such a difficult life, all my sympathies are with him. It makes me sick to see Republicans torturing this private citizen. I'm glad to see him finally fight back.
Yes!
I agree. They have mercilessly smeared this guy for years. Can anyone ever have imagined that someone from the GOP Congress would show naked photos of the presidents son??!! No just No
It's about time and I bet that a lot of dirty laundry that the GOP and Orange Garbage do NOT want people to see.
I say fight fire with fire !!!
I love it. David Pecker and now Hannity et al. You go Hunter! What courage you are displaying. Thank you.
I think this is outstanding. Go, Hunter!
Speaking of "striking back", Judge Juan Merchan let fly at defendant tRump by hitting him with a $9K fine AND an explicit warning that should he persist in violating the judge's gag order, incarceration may be in order...WOW!
Waiting to read the decision and order. Thanks for alerting us, Lance!
You know what would be great? It won’t happen but wish it would. That the PUNISHMENT given to Fox News would be - at minimum- the firing of those that lied the most often, but even better - THE TOTAL REMOVAL OF THE FOX NETWORK FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
I would rather see each and every one of the anchors, and I used that term loosely, since the inception of the network to be ordered by a judge to individually record a statement admitting to each and every lie they and their network have spread, each and every person, law, rule, and process, every government agency, college, school, mass shooting, school shootings, actions taken by other contries to defend themselves, to which they have targeted, and every government official at every level they have lied for, supported, and helped further their political positions, and the network be forced to air each statement, on a loop in addition to commercials, also the commercials supporting lies and treasonous politicians also must be pulled. These statements should also include the salary each person has made, to lie, and how much the network has made for the lies, an apology for lying to the public and a list of the damages they individually and as a network have caused, a summary of every lawsuit they have lost/settled, what it was for and why they lost and/or settled and ones that have yet to be decided. These recorded statements should be ordered to be aired before the start of, during breaks and the end of each show, news break, breaking news, etc.
Just to take them off the air isn't enough. Each individual and the network should be forced to acknowledge the hell they have created just to earn a buck and cause confusion among our most vulnerable and easily manipulated citizens not to mention giving the hateful and bigoted individuals the courage to come out of hiding and act on the rage fox has been responsible for manufacturing for decades.
I am angry as hell about everything they have been allowed to inflict, that they have been unchecked and have not been accountable for any of it because they silently take the hits and just lie about it anyway and continue to lie to the public.
I read and agree with every word. They are all guilty of TREASON. and the punishment for treason is LIFE IN PRISON.
I bet you that if all these people involved....including the scotus and judhe cannon and down were tried and convicted and put in jail FOR LIFE let me tell you the big MFs with tbe big MAGA mouths would undoubtedly STFU and shut that shit down immediately
Agreed
Yes, m’am!!! Well stated.
My husband and I have a couple whom we are very fond of and see frequently. However, they are evangelical Christians and faithful Faux watchers and Dumpy supporters. We never, ever talk politics or religion, though they make the occasional comment. I want to scream at them sometimes: "Do you understand how Fox disrespects you, thinks you're so stupid that they can lie to you without consequences? They even think that you're too stupid to understand or believe the truth." It requires a lot of self-restraint.
How about FOREVER
Apologies for the long rant 😳
No apology required. What you have written is true and necessary to be stated.
I wish you hadn’t apologized. I believe it’s what most of us have been waiting to hear.
My apology was for taking over @rathernot comment with a rather long rant but I absolutely do not apologize for my comment or my views.
When I had my own children I made the choice to parent differently than my parents did. I always made it absolutely clear that we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them, don't repeat them, and don't hurt other's everything would be okay and they wouldn't ever be punished for their mistakes, as long as they owned up to their actions.
Deliberately making the choice to lie, shift blame, gaslight, or any failure to accept responsibility for their choices was for my kids and for people with any semblance of power, absolutely not acceptable, EVER. Deliberately making the choice to lie or intentionally causing anyone else harm was the only time my kids would ever be punished.
I firmly believe that the average parent, at least the average DECENT parent also tries to raise they're kids with a similar ideology, it's how make make decent and productive adult humans. The idea that we should expect or accept less from grown ass adults, in positions of power and our elected officials both disgusts me absolutely blows my damned mind.
I have ranted, yet again, and I can't even promise that I'm done. 🤣😂
It’s a rare child who realizes there’s a better way to be a parent, and then follows through. It isn’t morality that’s usually behind that choice. It comes from love and fairmindedness. I’m happy for you and your family.
😊🧡
Jay Kuo: The GOP has made this the zaniest election ever. I have long wearied of it.
I was fed up 60 years ago in a home that was proto-Q-Anon. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING the GOP does today is anything I hadn't been exposed to 60 years ago, and which in my college years I shed like the stifling straitjacket the Conspiracists were.
After shedding proto-Q-Anon, I have never looked back.
The reason so many fools drink that kool-aid is because of Fundamentalism.
I shed THAT, too, 60 years ago.
I recommend the "Anti-Fundamentalist" Substack by Tia Levings:
https://tialevings.substack.com/
You are so right…it is never wrong to stand up for yourself.
Thank you for the great breakdown and analysis.
Hunter has a good attorney and what looks to be a great case. I say good for him!
Keeping in mind President Biden’s speech at the Correspondence Dinner it’s a good time to put those words into action and Hunter is going to make them do it. Integrity in journalism is one of the issues that needs to happen.
Between Mark Geragos and Abbe Lowell, Hunter is finally in extremely capable legal -- shall we say lethal -- hands. Fox had better step up, if they know what's good for them!
I agree!
With all the pictures of Hunter Biden being touted about by people like MTG I can't believe Joe Biden missed the opportunity at the WH Correspondents Dinner to remark that Hunter sure looked like a chip of the ol' block in those pics... 🍆🐘
LOL!
Yikes....and Ha ha ha ha ha
Criminal, drug-addicted womanizer you said? Isn’t that just half of GOP leadership?
Thank you, Jay, for providing clarity once again. Sorry, commenter Travis, I disagree with you. And as a former English teacher I would like to suggest you polish up your rebuttal to post here.
The Grammar Police agree!
Grammar isn't his problem.
He has much bigger problems.
U have every right to disagree that's what's great about America I can say and believe exactly what I want
Agreed. I just am more likely to read something when it’s not filled with typos.
Even when it's stupid 😂
No how mentally disturbed you may be.
I'm so happy Hunter is fighting back. Hand wringers be damned. What Fox did is reprhensible and they absolutely should pay a price for it.
Apparently, Fox has quietly pulled the mock trial series from its digital streaming service...
🤣🤣 I can't wait until fox is bankrupted and the entire worthless network is pulled from everything and everywhere
Am I the only one who thinks the timing simply points to Hunter needing the Smirnov arrest to solidify his case against FOX? If that were the inspiration now seems to be about the right time to be ready to file his suit.
No. I think this as well. I also agree with what was mentioned by Joyce Vance, the discovery may unfold information helpful to him in his other cases.
I'm 74. Time is precious. Hunter needs to follow his best path and kick some FOX ass.
❤️😁
Question on the “Speech and Debate clause” protection for MTG. Does that extend to post house member? Can Mr. Biden go after her after she’s voted out of office?
Not for words spoken while she was protected by it.