You CAN'T be serious!?! The elected Speaker of the House did this? Where is the rest of Congress? Where is the White House? Why is the DOJ not stepping in ASAP to retrieve, and then arrest L'il Kev on treason charges?
I don't understand "probably". Seems akin to trump "probably" not guilty of mishandling classified material. Wouldn't the tapes be labeled classified, due to the security issues?
Me, too ! ... & as disturbing as I found the multiple Interviews given by the GA Special Grand Jury Foreperson ( which, according the guidance the Judge gave her, was not only 'legal', but within the bounds of what she was permitted to say) - I find this release of the CCTV footage to only Tucker Carlson to be astronomically more disturbing & "dangerous" ... & I hope that "We, the People" will have some recourse - even if it's only a temporary "Stay" ... I'm terrified of what Carlson's Staff could do with the 44,000 hours they're now poring over - & how much Putin would love to see that footage, also ... Yikes !!
It is unclear. But the Speaker’s office generally controls many of the administrative functions of the House, so this likely is one of the consequences of that.
Egregious, unexpected yet maybe predictable considering the context? Perhaps we are so used to the unbelievable things we have seen in the last 6 years from these lying criminals - hope the emergency injunctions are being filed as I speak
How is it that McCarthy’s is the only permission needed for the release of this footage to the media? I’d think the Capital police & Architect would have some say here, as well as the National Archives? And how many times has the GOP decried this practice by others? It won’t alter the basic story of insurrection anyway, unless we find some Proud Boys are petting kittens in a previously unseen hallway (fat chance). Except of course in the hands of tasered weasel Tucker Carlson, or any of the other gutter snipes on Fox. The security implications here are HUGE; McCarthy better hope Trump’s “special” people don’t give it another try-Kevin would be an accomplice. Which perfectly illustrates why McCarthy is woefully unprepared to be Speaker. He doesn’t protect his flank OR his six, and has no ‘big picture’ vision.
my take on it is that they will take whatever "non violent" images they can get and show them under the premise "look nothing violent here". I'm sure there are some who entered the building who are just wondering around just looking, not saying it was right for them to be there but I do believe those people exist. So no in reality it doesn't alter the true story but when have you known Fox News or Carlson to live in reality? I will put money on some sort of montage of clips showing the actual peaceful protestors, just there for a normal every day tour (SMH)
Kevin McCarthy was elected Speaker on the 15th ballot by conceding to every demand the MAGA extremists could dream up (probably this footage release included). He's not only unprepared, he's unequipped to be Speaker because he's traded away any authority needed to act independently. That's why the MAGA minority (maybe 10% of 435 member House) dominates the chamber, and it's why he must be removed and replaced.
There's a network of ordinary citizens working to help accomplish just that. We can't do everything, but we can do something. And we could use your help.
You just know that tuckums and his producers are going to edit the crap out of this, just like Bill Barr did with the Mueller report. I am sick to death of these treasonous assholes getting away with all of this. We're screwed on so many levels. I'm assuming Garland doesn't care about this? I'm sorry, I know you're in favor of giving him time to complete the job, getting all his ducks in a row and such, but in the meantime, more and more crimes are being committed because they know they can get away with it because no one has been held accountable.
This doesn’t seem like something within the DoJ’s jurisdiction to me. There’s no crime being committed here, just shady partisan acts that harm our democracy. He needs to be sued in civil court to be stopped.
Unless a Republican challenges, it will get not be a motion that gets a floor vote quickly. It would need to be someone from within the GOP, probably with sway on the Rules Committee so the motion would see the light of day.
Jay, I believe any single Representative can make a "motion to vacate the chair", and that such a motion would be privileged, meaning subject to vote without going to committee. As a practical matter, no one would make such a motion unless they are already certain it would have majority support to pass.
In other words, there would need to be a cross-party alliance for it to succeed. FYI, there is a network of ordinary citizens working to promote just such an alliance for the purpose of removing and replacing Kevin McCarthy.
I certainly hope the DOJ, or whoever has the capacity to do so, files a restraining order right away. If ever there was any question about the the immoral black hole that is Kevin McCarthy's soul, this should answer it.
I mean I get that it's not criminal but when it has so many security implications it should be. As we saw on Jan 6 that side has no regard for the security of our Capitol so there is that.
Since I first learned of this sometime yesterday, I think, I have been struggling with both the horror & the utter Revulsion I feel ... thinking "What is DOJ going to do about this ?" - they cannot just allow it to go forward, as is, solely in the possession of FOX News &, of all people, Tucker Carlson !!! You have given us some semblance of hope for Someone (!) to try for a "Stay" to delay whatever FOX is attempting to do with these 41,000 hours of footage. I can only hope & pray that will be the outcome - & ASAP !!!!
Sadly, as I’ve discussed in other comments, this isn’t a DoJ matter because no crimes were committed. But it could be a civil matter for the federal courts should someone file suit.
In Hawai'i we have a saying: ‘A‘ole make ke a wa‘a i ka ‘ale o waho, aia no i ka ‘ale o loko. (A canoe is not swamped by the billows of the ocean, but by the billows near land.) Trouble often comes from one’s own people rather than from outsiders.
Kevin is throwing his tantrum because Biden humiliated him at SOTU. Jordan wants to pretend his Weaponization Committee look like the January 6 Committee so he want to show tapes too.
This will backfire sensationally. It's not a matter of sharing the tapes. It's a matter of National Security. I am positive the FBI etc. are already on this.
Fox is already in enough hot water. I am a bit surprised they have taken this road. This smacks of desperation on their part. Guess the impending 1 billion fine has them scrambling for viewer bucks.
The continued failure of imagination of the non-MAGA elements of this country is getting tiresome. If people don't want to get engaged in grassroots activism, then stop acting outraged.
We know that our rights will continue to be eviscerated and propaganda will continue to spread. Either get involved, or accept the consequences.
Maybe MSM will sue for access to the tapes, maybe not. We should be calculating what will be next? How many rights and freedoms are people willing to lose?
If voting was enough, we wouldn't have a GOP majority House spewing pro-Putin propaganda, launching investigations to try to discredit the administration, trying to gut entitlements, etc. If voting was enough, we wouldn't have hundreds of voter suppression bills, weekly mass shootings, governors gutting public schools, loss of abortion rights, marginalization of trans citizens, rampant rise in hate crimes, etc, etc.Voting isn't enough.
I agree but what do we do besides vote them out. And they will never all be voted out, I mean indicting some of them may be a start but so far that hasn't happened and as the general public we have no power over whether it happens or not. Sometimes I feel powerless but most times I just wonder about the people who vote in these assholes
Run for office at local levels and run for school boards.
Donate to "Run for Something" which trains younger people to run effective campaigns (far too many seats in red states are unopposed because the national committee doesn't want to spend money in red states, but many seats are flippable even if candidates lose the first time).
Volunteer or donate to groups helping people get IDs so they can vote (VoteRiders is one). Volunteer asana election worker.
Voting is the only tool we have, but almost half the eligible population doesn't vote, and GenZers still are far behind (only 27% voted in the midterms).
Mass sustained protests work, but Americans don't seem to have the will, ditto mass strikes.
A 40-year well-funded campaign shredded our democracy, it won't be fixed in 1 election cycle, but Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania flipped blue in 2022, so it can be done. New Hampshire is 4 seats from flipping blue. If we turn out at 2018 levels and 70%+ of GenZers vote, there would be a massive change in 2024.
Voting isn't a magic bullet, but it's in our control. At some point, if we gain sufficient power, a litany of structural changes are needed.
It’s like turning on a faucet that had been unused for a while. First the water is brown and it coughs up rust before, in a little while, it runs well and clean.
And anyway words and thoughts with positivity strengthens the cause. Saying we can’t do it weakens the cause. We stroll powerfully together.
First, does Kevin have the right or authority to just release this material? Secondly, I would be less concerned about the release of the tapes if it were given to ALL news media not just carlson who is a loose cannon. Just giving the tapes to one person or organization is unethical and dangerous. Fox spin machine will now try to change the narrative to make it seem that is was nothing but a stroll in the park.
You CAN'T be serious!?! The elected Speaker of the House did this? Where is the rest of Congress? Where is the White House? Why is the DOJ not stepping in ASAP to retrieve, and then arrest L'il Kev on treason charges?
It probably doesn’t rise to the level of a criminal act. But it certainly is a violation of many free speech principles.
I don't understand "probably". Seems akin to trump "probably" not guilty of mishandling classified material. Wouldn't the tapes be labeled classified, due to the security issues?
JFC excuse my French
This is a rhetorical question, requiring no answer, but I am SO DAMN Angry;
what the F-ck is wrong with McCarthy? Has he lost his mind? This is traitorous behavior!
[I'm still angry!]
He lost his spine. Actually, he sold it to become Speaker, and now he has no way to stand up straight.
He is kissing maga back side to keep his job.
Me, too ! ... & as disturbing as I found the multiple Interviews given by the GA Special Grand Jury Foreperson ( which, according the guidance the Judge gave her, was not only 'legal', but within the bounds of what she was permitted to say) - I find this release of the CCTV footage to only Tucker Carlson to be astronomically more disturbing & "dangerous" ... & I hope that "We, the People" will have some recourse - even if it's only a temporary "Stay" ... I'm terrified of what Carlson's Staff could do with the 44,000 hours they're now poring over - & how much Putin would love to see that footage, also ... Yikes !!
Two questions:
How did he get distributable access to these security tapes?
Under what authority did he give the tapes to Fox/Carlson?
It is unclear. But the Speaker’s office generally controls many of the administrative functions of the House, so this likely is one of the consequences of that.
Thanks, Jay.
Exactly!!
Egregious, unexpected yet maybe predictable considering the context? Perhaps we are so used to the unbelievable things we have seen in the last 6 years from these lying criminals - hope the emergency injunctions are being filed as I speak
There is a Special Election for an empty House seat in Virginia TODAY. Kevin's slim majority could soon be even slimmer. Just sayin'.
Most of the vote counters already assumed that the seat would go Democratic, so it doesn’t change the majority most folks have in their heads.
True. CNN reports now ar 9 pm Eastern that JENNIFER has won the Seat.
How is it that McCarthy’s is the only permission needed for the release of this footage to the media? I’d think the Capital police & Architect would have some say here, as well as the National Archives? And how many times has the GOP decried this practice by others? It won’t alter the basic story of insurrection anyway, unless we find some Proud Boys are petting kittens in a previously unseen hallway (fat chance). Except of course in the hands of tasered weasel Tucker Carlson, or any of the other gutter snipes on Fox. The security implications here are HUGE; McCarthy better hope Trump’s “special” people don’t give it another try-Kevin would be an accomplice. Which perfectly illustrates why McCarthy is woefully unprepared to be Speaker. He doesn’t protect his flank OR his six, and has no ‘big picture’ vision.
Major Grifting ahead.
Sick and sad.
my take on it is that they will take whatever "non violent" images they can get and show them under the premise "look nothing violent here". I'm sure there are some who entered the building who are just wondering around just looking, not saying it was right for them to be there but I do believe those people exist. So no in reality it doesn't alter the true story but when have you known Fox News or Carlson to live in reality? I will put money on some sort of montage of clips showing the actual peaceful protestors, just there for a normal every day tour (SMH)
Kevin McCarthy was elected Speaker on the 15th ballot by conceding to every demand the MAGA extremists could dream up (probably this footage release included). He's not only unprepared, he's unequipped to be Speaker because he's traded away any authority needed to act independently. That's why the MAGA minority (maybe 10% of 435 member House) dominates the chamber, and it's why he must be removed and replaced.
There's a network of ordinary citizens working to help accomplish just that. We can't do everything, but we can do something. And we could use your help.
Check out "Feathers of Hope": jerryweiss.substack.com
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Feathers of Hope, got it.
You just know that tuckums and his producers are going to edit the crap out of this, just like Bill Barr did with the Mueller report. I am sick to death of these treasonous assholes getting away with all of this. We're screwed on so many levels. I'm assuming Garland doesn't care about this? I'm sorry, I know you're in favor of giving him time to complete the job, getting all his ducks in a row and such, but in the meantime, more and more crimes are being committed because they know they can get away with it because no one has been held accountable.
This doesn’t seem like something within the DoJ’s jurisdiction to me. There’s no crime being committed here, just shady partisan acts that harm our democracy. He needs to be sued in civil court to be stopped.
Who gets to do that?
amen!
Time for that single person to challenge KKKevin for the Speaker’s seat. I nominate Pelosi.
Unless a Republican challenges, it will get not be a motion that gets a floor vote quickly. It would need to be someone from within the GOP, probably with sway on the Rules Committee so the motion would see the light of day.
Jay, I believe any single Representative can make a "motion to vacate the chair", and that such a motion would be privileged, meaning subject to vote without going to committee. As a practical matter, no one would make such a motion unless they are already certain it would have majority support to pass.
In other words, there would need to be a cross-party alliance for it to succeed. FYI, there is a network of ordinary citizens working to promote just such an alliance for the purpose of removing and replacing Kevin McCarthy.
See "Feathers of Hoper": jerryweiss.substack.com
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I'll nominate any functioning adult.
I certainly hope the DOJ, or whoever has the capacity to do so, files a restraining order right away. If ever there was any question about the the immoral black hole that is Kevin McCarthy's soul, this should answer it.
It wouldn’t be the DoJ as this isn’t a criminal matter. But it could be a media company or a civil rights group.
I mean I get that it's not criminal but when it has so many security implications it should be. As we saw on Jan 6 that side has no regard for the security of our Capitol so there is that.
Since I first learned of this sometime yesterday, I think, I have been struggling with both the horror & the utter Revulsion I feel ... thinking "What is DOJ going to do about this ?" - they cannot just allow it to go forward, as is, solely in the possession of FOX News &, of all people, Tucker Carlson !!! You have given us some semblance of hope for Someone (!) to try for a "Stay" to delay whatever FOX is attempting to do with these 41,000 hours of footage. I can only hope & pray that will be the outcome - & ASAP !!!!
Sadly, as I’ve discussed in other comments, this isn’t a DoJ matter because no crimes were committed. But it could be a civil matter for the federal courts should someone file suit.
Sometimes, its hard not to think that democracy is doomed. America's biggest enemy isn't overseas.
Agreed. There is a clear and present danger to our democracy, and it’s not Putin.
In Hawai'i we have a saying: ‘A‘ole make ke a wa‘a i ka ‘ale o waho, aia no i ka ‘ale o loko. (A canoe is not swamped by the billows of the ocean, but by the billows near land.) Trouble often comes from one’s own people rather than from outsiders.
Nope-they walk among us.
Kevin is throwing his tantrum because Biden humiliated him at SOTU. Jordan wants to pretend his Weaponization Committee look like the January 6 Committee so he want to show tapes too.
This will backfire sensationally. It's not a matter of sharing the tapes. It's a matter of National Security. I am positive the FBI etc. are already on this.
Fox is already in enough hot water. I am a bit surprised they have taken this road. This smacks of desperation on their part. Guess the impending 1 billion fine has them scrambling for viewer bucks.
What’s to stop Faux News from creating deep fake videos?
The supposed checks and balances are not checking and not balancing.
This was an utterly predictable move.
The continued failure of imagination of the non-MAGA elements of this country is getting tiresome. If people don't want to get engaged in grassroots activism, then stop acting outraged.
We know that our rights will continue to be eviscerated and propaganda will continue to spread. Either get involved, or accept the consequences.
Maybe MSM will sue for access to the tapes, maybe not. We should be calculating what will be next? How many rights and freedoms are people willing to lose?
We are staying informed. Our fury runs silent and deep. Winter is coming for the traitors. Election Day 2024.
We'll see...Democratic turnout was down in the midterms. Wisconsin has a make or break election today.
Staying informed is different from activism...it's important but not sufficient.
Voting will be sufficient.
My last comment...
If voting was enough, we wouldn't have a GOP majority House spewing pro-Putin propaganda, launching investigations to try to discredit the administration, trying to gut entitlements, etc. If voting was enough, we wouldn't have hundreds of voter suppression bills, weekly mass shootings, governors gutting public schools, loss of abortion rights, marginalization of trans citizens, rampant rise in hate crimes, etc, etc.Voting isn't enough.
I wish you well.
I agree but what do we do besides vote them out. And they will never all be voted out, I mean indicting some of them may be a start but so far that hasn't happened and as the general public we have no power over whether it happens or not. Sometimes I feel powerless but most times I just wonder about the people who vote in these assholes
Run for office at local levels and run for school boards.
Donate to "Run for Something" which trains younger people to run effective campaigns (far too many seats in red states are unopposed because the national committee doesn't want to spend money in red states, but many seats are flippable even if candidates lose the first time).
Volunteer or donate to groups helping people get IDs so they can vote (VoteRiders is one). Volunteer asana election worker.
Voting is the only tool we have, but almost half the eligible population doesn't vote, and GenZers still are far behind (only 27% voted in the midterms).
Mass sustained protests work, but Americans don't seem to have the will, ditto mass strikes.
A 40-year well-funded campaign shredded our democracy, it won't be fixed in 1 election cycle, but Michigan, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania flipped blue in 2022, so it can be done. New Hampshire is 4 seats from flipping blue. If we turn out at 2018 levels and 70%+ of GenZers vote, there would be a massive change in 2024.
Voting isn't a magic bullet, but it's in our control. At some point, if we gain sufficient power, a litany of structural changes are needed.
It’s like turning on a faucet that had been unused for a while. First the water is brown and it coughs up rust before, in a little while, it runs well and clean.
And anyway words and thoughts with positivity strengthens the cause. Saying we can’t do it weakens the cause. We stroll powerfully together.
That doesn’t mean we don’t need to actively work toward that goal.
First, does Kevin have the right or authority to just release this material? Secondly, I would be less concerned about the release of the tapes if it were given to ALL news media not just carlson who is a loose cannon. Just giving the tapes to one person or organization is unethical and dangerous. Fox spin machine will now try to change the narrative to make it seem that is was nothing but a stroll in the park.