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Wow. 😮. Here’s my concern: that the press ( and I mean, the legacy press) will not do what the South Korean press did. We need to mobilize journalists at blue sky to take over if there is martial law ever declared by Trump. I think that’s the only way we can get any chance of overturning a dictator, i.e. Trump.

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I would say, citizen journalism is what will drive the resistance. Yes.

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In essence a discussion among comments to what Joyce Vance wrote the other day. The comment used Anne Frank's diary as an example - that we need to keep journals of what goes on. Certainly, the US government could shut down access to the internet or shut down the internet. I'm sure there are very savvy people who can find a way around - will those posts reach all or enough of us? In past wars, mimeographs were used to distribute needed information. What will we use? How will we? AND who will be the one to climb over the wall here? Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are no longer in the House. John Lewis is of blessed memory. Who will have the chutzpah and courage and remember their oaths to do this?

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The very concerns that keep me awake at night. I think social media will be abolished almost immediately to prevent people from organizing.

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Only Twitter and trump social will be allowed. So they will pretend that SM has not be abolished.

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Do you have any ideas of how to circumvent an internet shutdown? I am very concerned about this broadly and specifically to be able to contact my young adult children. This is an issue we all need to bring to the forefront.

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I've contemplated getting a landline phone again

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I have a land line and I woukd also get a short wave radio

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Start researching, because when I looked a few years ago in my area the only thing offered, even by traditional phone companies, is VOIP.

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Pardon my ignorance, but will that solve the problem? I don't know enough about tech, and suspect it would, but ....?

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We have a land line and I’m glad. I know it’s “old fashioned” & I feel safer.

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The combination of independant journalists and people like Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart have been the only way to get reliable news from the USA for years, frankly. I very much see them stepping up over the next administration where the Murdoch-tainted liars go all in. (I'm from Australia, I've wanted Murdoch and his nasty eldest son to disappear for decades.)

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I suggest The Guardian. There are others out there. Maybe other readers can chime in.

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I agree! But of course that assumes we continue to have access to the internet...

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The Guardian, The Atlantic, and Mother Jones all have print editions. There are others of course.

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Of course they have print editions. But how many of us subscribe to them? And in the case of the Guardian, how do we receive the print edition in the US?

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Look for Guardian US weekly subscription - it's considered a 'magazine', not a 'newspaper'.

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Agree 💯

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Insuring all legitimate avenues of communication remain available and supported while continuing vigilance into daily political activities seems our best course of action. Your work and the work of other Substack partners is paramount. Jay thank you for your continued dedication to our education and enlightenment!!❤️

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I live in the Portland, Oregon metro area. When Trump was first elected I was shocked, like many of us, but thought it’s only 4 years, just grit your teeth.

Then George Floyd was murdered right before our eyes. Then massive protests occurred. My sister was nightly at the protests and my husband went with her once.

Then Trump illegally through Chad Wolf, who was only acting director, sent Federal Officers in to “protect” the federal building. It had been surrounded by fencing and plywood.

My sister frequently live streamed when she was there. She said that usually without warning and with minor provocation like fence rattling, they would roll out with tear gas and brutal physicality. She invested in and purchased a gas mask. The news reported and had video of protesters being drug off the street and thrown in vans and taken and detained with zero due process. The Feds had no ID on their uniforms, no way for protesters to know who assaulted or kidnapped them. Many people were seriously injured or suffered from the tear gas even if they weren’t at the protest, but living downtown.

There was a lot to be concerned about during this time, but the federal response under Trump’s orders, where people were illegally detained was what set off all the red alarm bells for me. He will do this again. He will do worse. He continually lied about what was truly happening in an incredibly small area of downtown Portland. Yes, there were a small minority of bad actors who were violent or committed vandalism. But mostly the protests were peaceful.

My husband went one night with my sister. They met at a designated area with over a thousand people and a lot of moms. The protest was lead by black leaders who were at the front with a vehicle and a blow horn. On one block where there were multiple boarded up windows a mural of murdered black citizens was created. When the group passed by the leader had them stop and she called for a moment of silence. Over a thousand protesters were quiet. This was a respectful, in control and determined protest. The feds and the Portland police reacted in overt, aggressive and in most times an unprovoked assault. Being loud is not a reason for citizens to be attacked and assaulted.

The night my sister and husband were there, at the very front of the protest, there was a grandmother with her two young grandchildren. They were in front of the federal building and had no protection, no masks or helmets or eye protection. My sister looked at them and said you guys need to get out of here now, before they come out.

There is a lot to be worried about another Trump administration. He will not hesitate to use federal officers or the military against the American people if he so desires. He will do this. It will be worse. We need to be ready. And you are correct, the people of South Korea are an example for us.

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The images of SK citizens showing up, and peacefully assisting lawmakers to gain entry into the Parliament are inspiring. But I share your concerns about Trump's use of unidentified goons to harass, arrest, and intimidate peaceful protesters. His use of right wing, x-tian nationalist militias during the J6 insurrection as tools of intimidation and terror were just the beginning.

Gun violence in the US is unlike that in any other democracy. South Korea has rather strict gun regulations. Their citizens do not have to fear domestic terrorists emboldened by the sort of "gun rights" laws Americans live and die with every day. The daily terror imposed on all US residents by open carry, unpermitted concealed carry, stand your ground, or strut-around-with-assault-weapons laws has profound affects on our lives. I avoid crowds, and when in a crowded public space, I am constantly scanning for threats and escape options. Which means I would never willingly participate in any organized peaceful protest. The risk of deadly violence, especially under a second Trump regime, is far too great.

We have already seen that domestic terrorists, like Kyle Rittenhouse, can murder peaceful protesters without consequence. We have seen Governor Abbott of Texas pardon a convicted murderer who went to a BLM protest for the expressed purpose of murdering a peaceful protester. It is normal to want to engage in peaceful protest against authoritarian dictators who defy our constitutional rights. But, I am old enough to remember the slaughter of student protesters by National Guard troops at Kent State. I have no doubt Trump and his goons will be eager to slaughter anyone who protests their plans to overthrow democracy and install the Trump Reich.

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I'm in Idaho, and there are actually people here that believe Portland is still burning or completely burnt to the ground. Thank you so much for your post. I am now WIDE awake!

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Kathy, I remember this incident. I was living in Newberg, OR then. I remember the moms’ protest. I remember the disproportionate reaction by LE to these non-violent protests.

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There is indeed a lot to be worried about this second Trump term.

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A big thank you to your family from a grateful citizen.

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"The future of our democracy may very well depend on whether we can match the kind of response we just witnessed. We must take the South Koreans’ complete rejection of military dictatorship as an inspiring example and pledge to defend democracy with equal passion, resolve and action."

Thank you, exactly what I have been thinking about this. I fear that it may be a longer, more painful, and possibly violent process in our case. Our traditional mainstream press is compromised, and Trump and his pals will be in control of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. I hope we're up to this.

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I fear members of Trump's party will go along with a Trump coup! I'm hoping the military will stand up to their oath to defend our constitution and not obey their commander in chief if and when he orders them to fight the "enemy within" our borders.

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Luckily he's done such an excellent job of alienating and pissing off the military over the last decade his chances of actually having the support to make it happen are only slightly over zero.

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Retired Army officer here. As a lifelong Democrat I only had one political discussion in my 21 years of active service, but I knew all along that I was in the minority of my cohort. Our neighbor, a recently West Point officer, put a Trump sign in her yard. I’m not as confident about the military resistance against Trump as I once was.

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My husband is a 1993 USNA grad, if his class FB group is any indication, he is in the minority as a democrat. Many are viscous trumpers despite their oaths.

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The West Point Trump supporting neighbor works in cybersecurity for Los Alamos Labs. I haven’t been able to talk to her since the election but I want to ask her how she squares her oath considering how Trump treated classified documents.

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Jerrol, I hope you get the chance to talk to her, and let us know her response!

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This. I am of the opinion that any who stand in his way will be fired instantly, and replaced by those willing to swear personal loyalty to The Convict.

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Enough of the military? So many are far right and recruiting IN the military. If you are not a reader of what Mikey Weinstein writes and the work of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, read more. www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/michael-l-mikey-weinstein/

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I have so many retired military friends who are very pro-sHitler, but I have been removed from my work with community long enough that I have no idea how the younger troops feel about him.

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Watching citizens helping legislators get into the building was inspiring, as was so much else. Someone called it January 6th in reverse.

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Disappointed that you don't mention sarah jeong @sarahjeong.bsky.social who was on-scene, literally, and was certainly the first reporting as the coup and its rejection, was playing out. That was almost certainly Bluesky's first breaking news report(s). Big advantage having a Korean-American explaining to non-Koreans what was happening and why.

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Her reporting was covered fairly extensively by HCR so I didn’t want to plow old ground.

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HCR? You can't expect me to have already read HCR, especially since I have no idea who or what that is. I don't think it ever hurts to compliment other journalists' work.

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Thank you. I do read her but I didn't make the connection.

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You're welcome. Too many people acronyms like HCR on the mistaken assumption that everyone will understand a shorthand reference.

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I kind of low key loved that she had been out partying when it all started and she was (at first) reporting with a buzz on. That is dedication.

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It took me reading several skeets before I realized what condition she was in. She's great.

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Here in the USA it seems we reward felons, who attempt coups, by electing them POTUS.

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...and nominating them for ambassadorships or the Cabinet. (See latest on Navarro.)

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Each nominee is worse than the last one. Did he run out of sexual assaulters?

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Not possible!

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🤬🤮🤬🤮🤬

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And so, we must act now to deflate the power of 47's administration. And I don't mean "we" as in democrats (who have proven to be spineless and unwilling to reject politness even when our rights are at stake), I mean "we" as in everybody who can see what's coming. I don't care who you voted for. We have to stop 47 from ramming his slate of nominee-abusera down our throats via recess appointments (which, given the context described in this article, is a stone's throw from a coup).

I gathered several resources to help people take action against the idea of recess appointments (see link). We MUST hold the incoming Congress - and both predominant political parties - accountable to their basic duty of putting nominees through the full approval/disapproval process.

Any legislator who thinks recess appointments are ok, or who stays silent about it, is showing us that they do not have the guts or moral compass to stand against a coup/dictatorship.

https://bit.ly/StopRecessAppts

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I wish people in power would act now by perhaps arresting and detaining all J6 planners in congress and SCOTUS and expotus. Save us BEFORE there is no chance.

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It's too late. They'd barely get through arraignments and preliminary hearings before The Convict's inauguration. They'd all be pardoned and on the street before sundown.

I don't know how Merrick Garland is gonna live with himself.

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I’m thinking more outside the box than that, we are in dire straits and need to save our country.

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So... destroy democracy in order to save it. Yep - that always works.

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If you have any other ideas that would actually work…

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Not exactly chock full of them, but implementing fascism to defeat fascism doesn't work for me. Sorry.

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As an expat American I've been asking myself for the past 8 years what will it take for Americans to take to the streets in massive numbers? Tho' we can take heart at the quick and effective response of the South Korean people, there are some very important differences in the current situation in the US: Americans have been so comfortable for so long that they have taken their freedoms and rights for granted; Americans have been numbed by the over-consumption of social media and the algorithms that drive not only disinformation but rage; a large and significant portion of the American citizenry no longer believe that norms, precedents and the law are worth defending; the legacy/mainstream media cannot be relied upon to sound the alarm or to report truthfully on what is happening (the alarms needed to be sounded years ago); the military may very well refuse to obey corrupt orders, but many state and local law enforcement members have been radicalised and militarised, and will -- as we have already seen many times -- be only to happy and excited to bash some heads, or worse, shoot into crowds of demonstrators; lastly (but not exhaustively) there are tens of thousands of very well-armed radical militias ready to heed Trump's call to action, who will be promised immunity for any crimes they commit while doing his bidding. I don't think the majority of Americans understand what this moment in their history is signalling, or how dire the situation already is. I am afraid that by the time they wake up, it will be too late -- if it isn't already.

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Thank you, Jay, for this excellent analysis of South Korea's turmoil and its parallel to US politics. While the online journal I edit, United Methodist Insight, focuses on the United Methodist Church, as a professional journalist for 51 years I know where my duty lies should a similar coup attempt happen here. Count me in the resistance.

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I agree that “we” must act. But there have to be particular people who will take the steps to organize resistance. Who has the capacity call on the unions? Who will organize marches or other protests? Who can we count on in our legislative or judicial positions? I am willing to do my part, whatever that would be. But a first step would seem to be having people at the ready, who have the resources (not just financial, but influence and capacity) to begin to plan for this. It will happen. South Korea did great, but it is much smaller than the US. Having a plan of action already in place seems to be crucial here. I would love to hear people’s suggestions of how we could make this work.

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Carol: Right. I have been having the same questions. It's all very well to say "we," but "who" is very important.

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Many parallels here with S Korea and the US. Would an uprising happen here if T declares martial law? We Dems seem to roll over whenever the chips are down.

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Let’s make sure we don’t!

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I disagree! I personally know of several women who wrote postcards and did everything they could to elect Kamala Harris. The danger right now, is moral is low, we're still in shock over the election results. I do believe that we will stand up to the orange blight. But we are a huge country, our response won't be as agile as the South Koreans' was. But it also means that there are and will be pockets of resistance all over this country. We are not going to roll over and accept a dictatorship lead by the orange blight and his cronies.

First line of resistance, boycott all programming of his inauguration! Let's turn our focus on Martin Luther King Jr Day instead.

I am hoping for another Women's March too. I missed the first one due to illness.

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Womans March is on Nov 19 in Washington DC and other cities. It’s now being referred to as the People’s March. Check their website.

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Not sure just what date you meant to put in, but here is the info from People's March/Women's March website:

Washington DC

Saturday, January 18, 2025 10am – 8pm EST

2 days before the swearing in ceremony

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Thank you for that. I was trying to rely on my memory! 🙃

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Carol, there is a Women's March in D.C. scheduled for 1/18/25. https://www.mobilize.us/womensmarch/event/742704/

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Thanks, I read on Facebook that one is planned in Colorado. Various body parts are reminding me that I can't participate in a large demonstration. I am going to ask what I can do to support the march.

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Republicans literally voted for trump WANTING a dictator, so don’t see them stepping up.

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I heard it was the women in charge who did the revolting. Waiting for Trump's demise, or maybe do we even have the balls like South Korea to revolt Trump? 🤔

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The ovaries, maybe?

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Nope.

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Timothy Snyder also wrote about this today in Thinking About...Dictator for a Day. We can and need to learn from South Korean Civil Society about what to do and how to resist the obvious power grab being planned for a LONG time by trump and his fellow conspirators and traitors. Here is a link.

https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/dictators-for-a-day?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3ywxg

The question is this: will citizens stand up and say NO? And not wait for some "signal" from a too quiet part of the political spectrum?

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I was on vacation in South Korea last year. It is a beautiful country. Yesterday was a shocking development. It is so inspiring to see what the legislators and the people did yesterday. Our country and its people are not the same as South Korea for sure. I hope enough of our legislators and our people would not stand for martial law or anything like it. While I have my doubts about us all coming together, I, for one, will take to the streets if needed.

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