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Alec's avatar

I really, really hate swearing here. This is a community built around civility and peaceful defiance, and all credit must go to Jay for fostering such a great place.

But I fucking DESPISE this latest run-around attempt even more than the illegal deportations. This is a planned, thorough, active middle finger to the rule of law. This is, as Steve Shives often says, NAZI SHIT.

Steven Miller should be locked up for life for this alone. What a despicable little fascist coward of a man.

Wis's avatar

That he’s a “man” (human) is debatable. Miller is an ugly, evil little robot built from old nazi war machines.

Alec's avatar

I'm not super-keen on dehumanising people, even the actual worst of us. Being disabled and on the spectrum means I've had it done too many times to be comfy with it.

I AM happy to say he is the worst example possible of humanity and should not be counted when it comes census time.

Wis's avatar

I understand, and I truly mean no offense to anyone but miller and this government. I’m similar in that I don’t like when people compare people to nonhumans because usually it’s an insult to the nonhuman.

I’m afraid certain humans who have only cruelty, ill will and hate in their hearts, which miller has demonstrated time after time, dehumanizes them (him) for me.

I’m not sure the difference is all that big between not counting him at census and likening him to a robot, but I certainly apologize for any offense I’ve caused. 🙏 I would never say something like that about somebody due to a disability or challenge they face. It’s the cruel, manipulative, maga, fascist, hitler lovers who merit my contempt.

Alec's avatar

No worries, I certainly didn't mean it as a reprimand! More as a "This is a thing for me personally but I completely understand and share your absolute contempt" comment. Ah, the internet, where nuance and tone are hard.

Wis's avatar

Oh, goodness, I totally get what you mean and I didn’t take it as a reprimand- in just about all contexts, I agree with you 100%! My response must have sounded defensive, I’m sorry - I was just explaining and apologizing if I’d offended you in any way. 😊 Yes, text conversations are the source of a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings, aren’t they? Sigh - I think that’s why someone came up with emojis! 😅🙄 🤗

Alec's avatar

Hahahaha, as someone who was on the internet in the early 90s, yes, that's exactly where they came from! XD

I'm a veteran of the usenet days, which... probably dates me more than I'd like.

LHS's avatar

"Assuming the whistleblower report is accurate, DHS did everything to ensure there would be zero accountability for this policy and practice. Per the report, the memo itself was treated as a controlled document and circulated only to select senior personnel. Instructions to agents to disregard Fourth Amendment protections came via verbal training rather than written policy, meaning no paper trail. In some cases, the memo was shown to personnel who were told to read it and then return it rather than retain a copy. At least one person was implicitly threatened with retaliation for objecting to the policy." If those actions do not describe a criminal conspiracy to deprive people of their 4th Amendment rights, I am not sure what does.

DW's avatar

I'm with you on the cursing. I'm sick of these MFers invading our lives.

F ICE, F trump and all his weasily disgusting sc*mbag cronies and supporters.

Ojai Ohana's avatar

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Larry Lesick's avatar

Why can't local and state police arrest the ICE goons for breaking and entering? Or any local law they've broken? And the argument that it will escalate a situation doesn't work. It's already escalated. Also, does a homeowner have the right to shoot an ICE goon who breaks into their home?

Celeste Myslewski's avatar

This is what I can't understand. People's rights are being trampled, yet NOBODY can do ANYTHING about it--right now. Waiting 2 or 3 years for the courts is a joke. The Admin knows this and , thus, we are now living in a police state. Can you shoot them entering your home? Probably no.

Jay Kuo's avatar

The memo lends strong ammunition for a class wide injunction against ICE breaking into homes without judicial warrants.

Celeste Myslewski's avatar

I hope they succeed in stopping this. Think of how frightening that would be, and in the case you mentioned, the man was totally innocent!!--that's unforgivable!!

Thanks for your work, Jay, or I'd feel totally hopeless.

US Blues's avatar

How long would that take? How many people will be killed, injured, or frog-marched out into the cold in their pajamas because those idiots made yet another error?

Denise Donaldson's avatar

"....yet another DELIBERATE error?"

DW's avatar

🙏🏻

JeanneFC's avatar

I agree. Someone is going to shoot at these thugs entering their home illegally. That is probably what the regime wants. Then they can go forward with the Insurrection Act and all our civil liberties will be lost.

Dena's avatar

And it’s all so ironic considering how maga clutches to the 2nd amendment.

DW's avatar

I think we are past the stage of irony. Everything they say and do is the complete opposite of what they claim, starting with the chief orange blob

Susan Stone's avatar

It seems to me that if you live in a state like Florida that has "self defense" laws (can't remember what they are actually called), it seems like you should be able to. Remember Travon Martin? His killer got off scot free because of those laws.

US Blues's avatar

I think it was the “stand your ground” law in FL.

It’s likely that the ONLY reason someone hasn’t mistakenly shot ICE for home invasion so far is that they’re working for them now.

Susan Stone's avatar

Thank you for jogging my memory. Your thought about who's working for ICE now makes a lot of sense.

Susan Stone's avatar

WOW!! That is some article! Very interesting, and I have to agree. The picture at the top started my reading with laughter. But I very much appreciate the recommendation to not read this before bed. The truth is that ugly.

Dave_B_Quick's avatar

You can shoot them, but you and possibly your family will be killed, and the president will declare martial law and send in the military to back up the ICE goons. My son is a police lieutenant in VA, and he says the only sensible approach to ICE is to comply.

Celeste Myslewski's avatar

But if someone breaks your door down and enters your home, it's insane to comply. Nice precedent that. Some filth breaks in, so you hand YOUR wife and daughters over to them??? That's nuts. So that's how we're supposed to live now? Great deal for nuts, thieves and rapists! Have at it, guys!

Dave_B_Quick's avatar

Your first responsibility is to survive so you can have your day in court.

Ron's avatar

Trump has given his SS full authority, overriding state/local law enforcement, government officials, judges, and members of congress. I believe I also just read that a court ruling has barred congress members from entering ICE facilities, as is their right in order to do their mandated oversight

Stuyvesant Bearns's avatar

That "ruling" sounds suspicious to me (lawyer). Please identify it and the source.

Ron's avatar
19hEdited

Sorry, misleading headline, and I wasn't specific in my post. DHS created a policy requiring a week's notice before congress can enter an ICE facility. The courts refused to block it while it is litigated, so likely for the next couple of years, congress members cannot see the day to day operations of ICE, but must give them notice and time to stage the environment.

Sharon C Storm's avatar

Since local law enforcement is outnumbered 5 to 1 by federal agents, there is little likelihood that police officers can get to the federal agents because they will be delayed by blocking roads, or other means, so they won’t be safely able to arrest ICE.

Peter Stelling's avatar

Cops do not arrest other cops - it's called "Tinning". They just show their badge and the trouble goes away. The Blue Brotherhood.

Larry Lesick's avatar

ICE are brownshirt fascists, not legitimate cops.

Ojai Ohana's avatar

@Larry Lesick

Family, please Restack :)

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@Larry Lesick

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Joe English's avatar

Yesterday I joined the walking monks on their march with their stop in Liberty, NC for lunch at the local fire station. The location choice to walk with the monks and then participate was simply perfect. The deep diversity and age range of the crowd was one of the most notable aspects. Turns out people I knew from all over the area joined to form the 2000 people there.

Monk Bhikkhu Pannakara, their leader, spoke for an hour. He has been a monk for 17 years and the past 3 he has been torn on how to leave his bubble of mostly local community support in Texas. The Walk is the solution. Two things keep them going, the breath and determination. And the Freedom inherent within.

During this hour dive into mindfulness, meditation, and philosophy, Pannakara was able to employ the techniques with the crowd. A woman probably fainted, so the medics were called (yes the fire station is adjacent). He immediately told us to close our eyes, to put both of our hands to our heart, to breathe deeply, and to feel our heartbeat. Together our energy joined. Many tears could be heard in the silence. He explained how tapping the breath to remain calm in this situation and in life are central pillars in walking through the fear.

We continue onward on each of our own and collective journeys in our resistance to those that are stoking those potential fears. For when we breath deeply and feel our hearts beating as we pause within the breath, we are all connected.

Jay Friedman's avatar

Done in secret thus they clearly knew it was unconstitutional!

My anger will never go away.

HiImWhitney's avatar

Minneapolis resident, here. Neither will mine.

Christine's avatar

Minneapolis resident here: I hope this changes everything. Not confident on that, but hopeful. It’s so bad. They are now coming to schools.

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Christine Lee's avatar

On the day Renee Good was murdered I wondered if this would be our Kent State moment. It still took some time, but that's when public opinion turned. We can speak out, and step up to help our neighbors! There are more of us than them

DW's avatar

Donated, and sharing on my personal FB feed

marcus816's avatar

“Citizens dragged out into the cold. Mistaken addresses. Injuries and, likely soon, deaths within people’s own homes.”

There are people willing to give their lives to protect their home and family.

I wonder if ICE are ready to give their lives to assault them.

Denise Donaldson's avatar

As ICE are cowards, the answer to your rhetorical question is likely, "no."

marcus816's avatar

Agreed. (And it’s rhetorical until it’s not.)

Wis's avatar

Nail the DOJ and ICE - the Congress MUST enforce the CONSTITUTION, the LAW of the land.

We are in an authoritarian country and slipping even farther down into the depths of hell if congress doesn’t ACT.

Blumenthal, ACLU, all Constitution-loving, ICE/trump- hating hands on deck!! And load the cannons!!

Meggles's avatar

As horrifying as this all is, it only confirms what we've been seeing. In a way I'm relieved and grateful to have it all out in the open. Lawyers should have all the material they need for a class action lawsuit, and then some. (To those who say this admin just ignores court rulings, while a couple come to mind at this moment--including this egregious example, ie Payton from 1980--the majority of recent rulings against the admin are and have been followed).

Denise Donaldson's avatar

But how many innocent people would be hurt/killed, terrorized, disappeared, tortured in a detention center, shipped off to god-knows-where while such a class action would be filed and make its way through the courts, with the DoJ stalling and appealing all the way?

Any sign of the rest of the Epstein files yet? What about the deadlines DoJ hasn't met? I haven't read yet that anyone has been jailed for contempt.

Ralph Rosenberg's avatar

Jay’s point about the Payton case is key to reaching beyond the 'Substack bubble.' As a retired attorney and former 6-term legislator, I’ve seen how quickly 'law and order' rhetoric shifts when federal power targets one’s own camp. We can remind Middle America that prominent conservative warn that militarized ICE raids and warrantless entries—like those authorized by the recent Bondi directive—are a 'Gestapo' style overreach. Protecting the Fourth Amendment isn't a partisan 'loophole'; it’s the only thing preventing a federal agency from becoming an unaccountable force in every American’s neighborhood.

sos12_3's avatar

An 'Operation Jade Helm', per chance?

Ralph Rosenberg's avatar

I was a county prosecutor, and I still remember how my local law enforcement colleagues would complain endlessly whenever evidence was suppressed on Fourth Amendment grounds. My job was to represent the state's position, but I learned firsthand how challenging it was to explain judicial rulings in a way that conveyed the underlying constitutional principles and respect for the rule of law.

Leo's avatar

"Because an arrest warrant for one party does not protect the privacy rights of a third party homeowner.". I'm confused by this ...I would think a warrant would not ALLOW invasion of privacy rights of a third party homeowner....

Jay Kuo's avatar

Sorry I need to correct that! Yes

Faye Ameredes's avatar

I think he meant "an arrest warrant for one party does not nullify the privacy rights of a third party homeowner".

Ken Fredette's avatar

We need to know the tech behind this. What systems and processes are saying “THIS person”, “THIS family”. In addition to everything else, we are being asked to trust technology that we don’t even understand, and that the tech is justifying the constitutional trampling. But it’s ALL wrong, start to finish.

Jay Kuo's avatar

Palantir should be the target

Judith L Hubbard's avatar

EXACTLY! Peter Thiel, elite exec mentor to JD Vance among other activities! All heinous.

Linden Higgins's avatar

There is an ICE. data center in Williston VT (target of regular rallies ) that we have been told is THE place that targets are indentified.

Kevin Dale Green's avatar

Immigration is civil. Breaking and entering is criminal. Since it doesn't appear that ICE is making a good faith effort to make sure it is only grabbing the correct people, assault and kidnapping should also be on the table. The people behind this memo should be on the hook for conspiracy to commit all of these offenses.

Mary Lello's avatar

They are here in Maine now and there is a lot of information about "your rights".

"You do not have to open your door without a search warrant" ... for instance. And yet, they batter the door down. What do we do NOW??? How do we protect our neighbors, friends, and others from THIS????

Jay Kuo's avatar

We need a nationwide class action seeking injunctive relief against this ICE practice. I’ll get the ACLU is on it. My friend Cecilia is head of their civil litigation practice, and she knows an evidentiary gift when she sees one.

Denise Donaldson's avatar

But what can people do right in this moment if their doors are broken down? Potentially hundreds or thousands of people are at risk as we speak. They don't have time to wait for a class action suit. Do they just have to agree to be dragged outside in their underwear?

Colleen McGloughlin's avatar

One possibility to begin with is to find a Know Your Rights training. I just looked it up and discovered a number of trustworthy organizations like ACLU sponsor them. Many (most?) are virtual trainings.

I know my response doesn’t even scratch the surface of your spot-on question, but i hope it’s a helpful beginning. 😘

Denise Donaldson's avatar

That's a great suggestion, Colleen. Thanks for sharing it.

Elsewhere in this thread, I'd posted a link to know-your-rights information. It's vital that all of us educate ourselves.

Even so, I just keep thinking of that poor young Target employee who was dragged out of the store and thrown into a van last week by ICE thugs, all the while screaming that he was a U.S. citizen, which was true. What was his recourse?

Our Cleveland neighborhood is mostly Black and Latino, and we heard ICE was going door-to-door last week. I'm retired and pasty white, but I still have visions of demanding to see a judicial warrant and being dragged out by the hair. The unthinkable has become reality.

Judith L Hubbard's avatar

You are my new best friend! ❤️🕊️🥰

Jenn's avatar

I'm worried about HCR

Linda Mills's avatar

You are so reliable, solidly informative and much appreciated by this Canadian elder, looking on with horror from across the border. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

pfflyer61's avatar

Very helpful in understanding what lies ahead, hopefully, in response to this fascist outrage. The Republicans would burn the constitution in favor of dictatorship if they could. I just hope that 6-3 decision you mentioned isn't overturned by the other fascists currently in black robes.

Jay Kuo's avatar

I do worry a bit about them setting up a test case…

Stuyvesant Bearns's avatar

IT ALL STARTS AT THE TOP, WITH TRUMP.

Does anyone possessed of even minimal intelligence think Noem is doing this withoit consultation with trump?

tRump views the Constitution as merely a minot annoyance to be brushed aside on his unrelenting pursuit of authoritarian, dictatorial rule.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THESE CONSTANT CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS HAPPENING UNDER BIDEN OR OBAMA?

Mary Stellick's avatar

I would say more in consultation with Miller. I don't think trump consults with anyone!

Colleen McGloughlin's avatar

The little orange snake in his head.

Denise Donaldson's avatar

I think that's a safe bet, Mary.

sos12_3's avatar

I can barely imagine this level of violations under *any* president.

well, maybe Nixon

and Reagan

and Bush

and Bush

if there were only a line through these where a connection could be discerned.

Denise Donaldson's avatar

There IS a discernible through-line. The Rs have been maneuvering since Nixon to bring us tRump. Dumbing down the citizenry, setting up their propaganda machine, steadily, quietly moving their operatives into place from school board members on up.

Colleen McGloughlin's avatar

Don’t forget the evangelical complicity

sos12_3's avatar

Ding ding ding

Chicken dinner!!

Susan Stone's avatar

The one thing I can think of as a through line is that Reagan was the first to use the "Mandate for Leadership", these days aka Project 2025. To the best of my knowledge, all subsequent republican presidents used a form of that, but most did not go all in the way Reagan and trump have.