Great points. And Rick Grenell is clearly guilty of offending the Logan Act. Having tRump acting as a shadow government is almost like having a pope in Rome and another in Avignon! Welcome to the Middle Ages, folks. We are going down the tube.
Great points. And Rick Grenell is clearly guilty of offending the Logan Act. Having tRump acting as a shadow government is almost like having a pope in Rome and another in Avignon! Welcome to the Middle Ages, folks. We are going down the tube.
It seems like there are multiple US Laws, like the Logan Act, that have limited or poorly defined definitions or punishments. We have a real problem with laws that have such poor definition. They end up useless, particularly when called up to hold accountable someone with money or power behind them. We say we are a nation of laws, but if definitions and punishments are lacking, then we have poor tools with which to execute justice.
I'd think he was, too, though it is iffy whether the Act is constitutional. Only two people have been indicted under it --in the 19th century--and those were not convicted. See Wikipedia, The Logan Act. So the uncharted nature of the Act would create really complicated litigation. The act requires that the negotiations are "in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States." It could be difficult to pinpoint the exact dispute, controversy, or measure is being violated by Grenell. "Being against authoritarianism" is not likely to cut it. Promising to remove sanctions imposed by the US very well might.
Thanks for your research Susan! But, it sure sounds like it might be a good idea to detain Mr Grenell (in US custody) while we sort the Logan Act implications out!
Guarantee a speedy* trial! (* In tRump terms, a "speedy trial" means sometime in 2025!)
One of my concerns is that Grenell would have had access to Top Secret information when Trump was in office and now he is making deals with the Russians, presumably to help Trump win the election. Who knows what kind of deals he could be making?
I think dumpster has already sold / given away USA secrets to get info / money / assistance ! Since he doesn't give a rat's ass about the country or its people. He only cares about himself and money !
Great points. And Rick Grenell is clearly guilty of offending the Logan Act. Having tRump acting as a shadow government is almost like having a pope in Rome and another in Avignon! Welcome to the Middle Ages, folks. We are going down the tube.
It seems like there are multiple US Laws, like the Logan Act, that have limited or poorly defined definitions or punishments. We have a real problem with laws that have such poor definition. They end up useless, particularly when called up to hold accountable someone with money or power behind them. We say we are a nation of laws, but if definitions and punishments are lacking, then we have poor tools with which to execute justice.
Very true. No one U.S. ever prosecuted under the Logan Act, e.g.
I'd think he was, too, though it is iffy whether the Act is constitutional. Only two people have been indicted under it --in the 19th century--and those were not convicted. See Wikipedia, The Logan Act. So the uncharted nature of the Act would create really complicated litigation. The act requires that the negotiations are "in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States." It could be difficult to pinpoint the exact dispute, controversy, or measure is being violated by Grenell. "Being against authoritarianism" is not likely to cut it. Promising to remove sanctions imposed by the US very well might.
Thanks for your research Susan! But, it sure sounds like it might be a good idea to detain Mr Grenell (in US custody) while we sort the Logan Act implications out!
Guarantee a speedy* trial! (* In tRump terms, a "speedy trial" means sometime in 2025!)
well they do have to indict him first, and then the court has to refuse bail. But nice thought.
Thanks for this. I hadnтАЩt done a deep dive into how to pursue it, but at least it provides a clear way to think about what it happening.
One of my concerns is that Grenell would have had access to Top Secret information when Trump was in office and now he is making deals with the Russians, presumably to help Trump win the election. Who knows what kind of deals he could be making?
I think dumpster has already sold / given away USA secrets to get info / money / assistance ! Since he doesn't give a rat's ass about the country or its people. He only cares about himself and money !