Reading this morning's papers, I find it inconceivable that Trump is by far the frontrunner in the polls. How does anyone find him a viable candidate? I'm dreading the next election. Cheating, shenanigans, crazy people ...
We had all of these self-imposed, projected notions of decorum, etc, and they blew our conventions way out of the water- oh no they didn't has become there they go again...
They don't find him a viable candidate. They aren't interested in viable candidates. They want to be entertained. The thing is, even long-running shows on TV get cancelled and end because people have a limited attention span. Always looking for something new. That's happening to Trump. His shtick is getting old, monotonous and boring. Just watch.
"The Markin Report" this week by Sheila Markin includes discussion of a webinar called "How To Lose and Save a Constitutional Democracy." Members of the webinar have been studying the phenomenon worldwide and came to some interesting conclusions. Allow me to quote a short except:
"These days democracies typically die when a fearful minority in the country believes there is an existential threat to their culture and way of life that creates a powerful felt need in millions of people to find a strongman to take charge of the country and reinstate the culture and way of life they want to keep in the face of change."
It goes on further to say:
"If Trump breaks the law and is held to account by a system that the MAGAs want to crush, that is just more evidence that Trump is exactly who they want and need to lead the country."
That is the candidate, constituency, and the situation that we are dealing with.
Democrats totally stole it and they did it unfairly. They had more people voting for Joe Biden than people voting for Trump. How is Trump supposed to win in a fair fight when the electorate is allowed to be stacked against him like that!
I recently commented on something about a local story regarding elections and some guy commented the paper never covered some shenanigans. About 60 seconds of searching showed they had. I told him the 2020 election was over and done with and nothing would change that. He vowed to keep fighting the results of the 2020 election.
These people believe the lies they are told, the echo chambers they live in tell lies unchecked.
Kind of like being certain that the south won the Civil War and the Confederacy is alive and well....they're never going to accept that defeat, either.
Whoa, baby--that was an amazing read. Love seeing all the pieces that continue to fall into place. Thanks for the tour in the lands of the "red mirage'....
Trump’s enterprise has “stollen” from hard-working Americans for decades. My family business was stiffed back in the 80’s when when our small engineering firm did work for Trump in NYC. Recently our new neighbors here in PA shared they too were stiffed by Trump during filming of The Apprentice. Imagine, two small businesses in one neighborhood robbed by a former president. He is a slimy mob boss.
Reminds me of talking about TFG with a buddy of mine, in 2016...my friend has been in the building trades in the NY metro areas since the early 90's. He said, you'd have to spend a lot of time trying to find a company that did business with him that wasn't screwed over in some fashion.
That’s why it’s incredible that he has so many followers. You would think his decades of screwing businesses (and people) over would have left him with few supporters. If I’m upset that he was ever President, then I can’t imagine how difficult it’s been for your family and those who were ripped off by him!! It will be wonderful when he is no longer running for office. It’s an embarrassment that he is now part of presidential history.
Hoping Jack also takes a peek under the heavy redaction of the calendar DeJoy provided, the demolition of sorting machines, only to later contract out sorting...
Thank you as always for your insight, I do think he may have played a part in the premeditated aspect of interference starting in the spring demos, I couldn't paste in the image but 11/5/20 is almost completely redacted even going into evening hours.
All the rocks may not be turned over in the current day, but historians will find them all and the role they played. Hopefully, they will be writing about how we defeated them.
Early in my career (and trying to challenge my own naïveté), I was at a national conference where my industry overlapped one of TFG’s. I asked lots and lots of people what they thought of him, and they all said, directly or in so many words, that he was a criminal. Money laundering at the least. But it seems to be doing criminal activity in plain sight, I commented to a few who I knew. So did the mob..., was the reply
What I don't understand, from a Trump supporter's demographic point of view, is why the reporting on his failure to pay his contractors and subcontractors didn't cause them concern. The non-labor trades should have been all up in arms.
I think it’s because a lot of them have the world view that everyone cheats. So might as well get behind the guy who cheats on behalf of you - or at least against your enemies.
Anybody who worked in Manhattan from 1980 onwards knew exactly what kind of a person Donald Trump is. He is loathed in Manhattan, and held in utter contempt as a gutter parvenu. When Donald Trump actually won the GOP primary, there was a massive "clack" sound coming from New York as over 1 million jaws dropped and hit the table at the same time. That changed to a groan when he actually won the election through the electoral college.
The people that know Donald Trump despise him. The only people that do not despise him are people that do not know him.
I know Trump is a cheater and a liar but I really can't believe he was smart enough to hatch the "red mirage" strategy. It did work as predicted. He did have the lead before the mail-ins were counted. And it gave him the opportunity to question the results and make people uneasy that there were valid reasons that the election did not go as it should have. I get that. But I really don't think Trump is knowledgeable enough about how elections work to have planned this. Obviously, there are a lot of people in his cabal who could dream these kinds of things up but I hate seeing Trump get the credit for it. He's not focused, intuitive, or creative enough to have come up with this scheme, or any other one for that matter.
My take is that he listens to the advisors who tell him what he wants to hear. So whether he's smart enough isn't necessarily in question. He's a malignant narcissist who likes to be flattered and told how smart he is which makes him malleable, which is also why Putin flattered him and he 'got along' so well with Kim Jong Un. I would imagine they figured out pretty quickly how easily he could be manipulated with a little flattery. His mistake was believing and running with the cockamamie advice he got from those who gave him a plan that kept him from having to publicly admit he's a loser. And now he's doubling down on it even though he's beginning to realize (but not yet accept) that he's most likely going to end up in prison for it. I guess this is a rather simplistic take on things but his narcissism is certainly a factor.
Steve Bannon, Roger Stone , Rudy Giuliano and Tom Fitton are all involved and there are probably others that participated ! I want ALL of them held responsible!
hippiechick, I have been asking myself since before the election who came up with all these wonderful strategies attempting to assure Trump would win the election. I believe he is capable of doing such things but I just do not believe he is smart enough to develop such a plan. Who and how many of them concocted this entire course of events?
They knew the polls looked bad before Election Day. DJT didn’t need all the details of the plan until it was time for him to make phone calls; lean on legislators or rile up his base. Stone had the essence of the way forward: Declare victory and move on. I’m certain between the campaign & experienced dirty tricksters like Stone, it wasn’t hard to put the pieces together. Declaring victory is fairly simple as is saying votes shouldn’t be counted after Election Day. His pollsters & campaign advisors would fill in any details.
The fake electors took coordination. He had legislators (likely Mark Meadows) & attorneys (like Eastman) working on it. Peter Navarro was interviewed by Ari Melber and explained it as the “Green Bay Sweep” relying on Pence to be quarterback. In his book he says DJT supported the plan as did more than 100 members of Congress. (Navarro’s trial was scheduled Sept 5th re: not responding to the January 6 Committee’s subpoena.)
Giuliani & friends did the voter machine/fundraising piece with other organizations supporting them. He sometimes admitted in court (while saying otherwise in public) his cases were not about fraud. That’s turning out to be very costly for the attorneys. All of the pieces fed news cycles & social media where tons of $$ is made from conspiracy theories.
-As he told DOJ (which refused)- “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”
Ann Stone, thank you for your response. I find the entire plan and execution of the it very scary. The name Roger Stone, among others, causes my skin to crawl.
He didn't hatch it. He is like Venus/Aphrodite rising fully formed from the sea. We have to look behind the curtain. We have to ask, who provided the engine that drove the 2016 campaign staff. I've read that in 2015 he didn't have an organization capable of running a presidential campaign. Even he didn't think he would actually be running.
Thanks to all the free publicity he received on all the cable channels including CNN and MSNBC he was ignited to the lead during the whole Hillary's bad Benghazi and email farce. And now it's happening again! You never hear about all the accomplishments of Biden, but you hear about Trump every blessed day!
This very thing is why I stopped watching "mainstream" media years ago. All the major news outlets are owned and operated by old, white supremacist billionaires who are only interested in what sells. Reporting on Biden's good works don't make them any money. Endlessly reporting on every stupid thing Trump says and does makes them lots of money. Journalists and news outlets did not know how to handle Trump. No politician in recent memory (or maybe ever) was such a blatant liar. At first they tried to frame his lies as a valid, alternative view. Nobody even attempted to challenge or fact check him. They were terrified of calling a sitting president a liar even though it was very clear that he was one. During the Covid outbreak they gave him a free platform to disseminate the most dangerous advice day after day and never once stopped him but accept none of the blame for people's deaths due to mind-blowingly wrong advice. They treated his behavior as if it was normal. They helped to create the monster that is Trump all in the pursuit of money. They will continue to fill the airways with his insane speeches and deeds not caring about the repercussions as long as it sells.
Trump hired the “best” criminals. Meaning only the those with the most non-existent ethical or moral codes. He fired anyone around him that would put our country’s laws and best interests above his own personal gain.
It doesn't really matter how the plan was hatched. (I tend to agree with you that Trump is incapable of it on his own accord.) Regardless, he fraudulently touted and enacted the plan and for that we absolutely want him to get the credit.
This was an excellent compilation of everything that occurred before during and after the 2020 election. Thank you for bring it all together!
I’m glad TFFG and his followers are brazen enough to keep audio and video records of themselves breaking the law! Hopefully they will all be arrested, charged and imprisoned — including TFFG — for a very long time!
Trump and his cronies only know how to win by cheating. Trump has done it his whole life. It backfired on them though with the special elections for the GA Senate when Warnock and Ossoff won.
I’m dubious they will get Graham. Not beyond a reasonable doubt. Too many ways for him to explain away what he tried to do. Meadows is likely cooperating in some way, but we don’t really know for sure.
Wasn't Tubberman at all those "war room" meetings? Why hasn't anyone zeroed in on him, and how he continues to actively work against the US by holding up all the essential military promotions?
This is all very interesting - and it begs the question of how "stopping the count" was condoned by the SCOTUS in Florida in 2020? What a different, and better, world we'd all be living in if the completed vote count had given Florida to Gore, rather than the SCOTUS truncating the count and giving it to Bush!
It actually had to do with some of the very same things being discussed here: The Electoral Count Act. The Supreme Court said the counting had to be completed by the Safe Harbor deadline or the votes may not count.
Hi, Chuck, You can change it to 2000 in your previous post by clicking on the three dots to the right of Reply then choose Edit. Then you can delete this correction if you wish.
Reading this morning's papers, I find it inconceivable that Trump is by far the frontrunner in the polls. How does anyone find him a viable candidate? I'm dreading the next election. Cheating, shenanigans, crazy people ...
This time we are far more prepared. We will stop him, and stop those crazies with their shenanigans.
We had all of these self-imposed, projected notions of decorum, etc, and they blew our conventions way out of the water- oh no they didn't has become there they go again...
They don't find him a viable candidate. They aren't interested in viable candidates. They want to be entertained. The thing is, even long-running shows on TV get cancelled and end because people have a limited attention span. Always looking for something new. That's happening to Trump. His shtick is getting old, monotonous and boring. Just watch.
"The Markin Report" this week by Sheila Markin includes discussion of a webinar called "How To Lose and Save a Constitutional Democracy." Members of the webinar have been studying the phenomenon worldwide and came to some interesting conclusions. Allow me to quote a short except:
"These days democracies typically die when a fearful minority in the country believes there is an existential threat to their culture and way of life that creates a powerful felt need in millions of people to find a strongman to take charge of the country and reinstate the culture and way of life they want to keep in the face of change."
It goes on further to say:
"If Trump breaks the law and is held to account by a system that the MAGAs want to crush, that is just more evidence that Trump is exactly who they want and need to lead the country."
That is the candidate, constituency, and the situation that we are dealing with.
Chilling. I sure don't want to live in the country that they want to live in. Mar-a-Trumpistan?
It seems to be happening in Israel as well.
When someone tells me the 2020 election was stolen I agree and add that we’ll steal it again!😂
Democrats totally stole it and they did it unfairly. They had more people voting for Joe Biden than people voting for Trump. How is Trump supposed to win in a fair fight when the electorate is allowed to be stacked against him like that!
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Absolutely! Supposedly more Republicans than Democrats died from Covid; there’ll be more votes for Biden in 2024. So unfair!😂
I recently commented on something about a local story regarding elections and some guy commented the paper never covered some shenanigans. About 60 seconds of searching showed they had. I told him the 2020 election was over and done with and nothing would change that. He vowed to keep fighting the results of the 2020 election.
These people believe the lies they are told, the echo chambers they live in tell lies unchecked.
Kind of like being certain that the south won the Civil War and the Confederacy is alive and well....they're never going to accept that defeat, either.
It’s really rather unfathomable how bad they are at criming. 😂😂
Lucky us.
Jack be nimble Jack be quick please indict the orange prick
Good one
Well said. Thanks for the giggle.
*again
Awesome poetry.
And you (we) have now gotten your (our) wish!
Whoa, baby--that was an amazing read. Love seeing all the pieces that continue to fall into place. Thanks for the tour in the lands of the "red mirage'....
Right now, it is only educated guesses. We won’t know if I’m close to the heart of it or far off the mark until we hear more from Jack Smith!
I'm just hoping that carrying the weight of so many people's hopes doesn't break him. We're expecting quite a lot.
I think you can thank Jack Smith for that.
Trump’s enterprise has “stollen” from hard-working Americans for decades. My family business was stiffed back in the 80’s when when our small engineering firm did work for Trump in NYC. Recently our new neighbors here in PA shared they too were stiffed by Trump during filming of The Apprentice. Imagine, two small businesses in one neighborhood robbed by a former president. He is a slimy mob boss.
Reminds me of talking about TFG with a buddy of mine, in 2016...my friend has been in the building trades in the NY metro areas since the early 90's. He said, you'd have to spend a lot of time trying to find a company that did business with him that wasn't screwed over in some fashion.
If only those building trade workers could have shown voters the real trump in 2016!
That’s why it’s incredible that he has so many followers. You would think his decades of screwing businesses (and people) over would have left him with few supporters. If I’m upset that he was ever President, then I can’t imagine how difficult it’s been for your family and those who were ripped off by him!! It will be wonderful when he is no longer running for office. It’s an embarrassment that he is now part of presidential history.
Of course the MAGATs were confident in the “Stop the Count” strategy; after all, it worked very well in 2000.
I thought of including that, but to make that case cogently would require another 10 minute read!
Hoping Jack also takes a peek under the heavy redaction of the calendar DeJoy provided, the demolition of sorting machines, only to later contract out sorting...
I don’t think this is his priority in any way at this time.
Thank you as always for your insight, I do think he may have played a part in the premeditated aspect of interference starting in the spring demos, I couldn't paste in the image but 11/5/20 is almost completely redacted even going into evening hours.
All the rocks may not be turned over in the current day, but historians will find them all and the role they played. Hopefully, they will be writing about how we defeated them.
Early in my career (and trying to challenge my own naïveté), I was at a national conference where my industry overlapped one of TFG’s. I asked lots and lots of people what they thought of him, and they all said, directly or in so many words, that he was a criminal. Money laundering at the least. But it seems to be doing criminal activity in plain sight, I commented to a few who I knew. So did the mob..., was the reply
What I don't understand, from a Trump supporter's demographic point of view, is why the reporting on his failure to pay his contractors and subcontractors didn't cause them concern. The non-labor trades should have been all up in arms.
I think it’s because a lot of them have the world view that everyone cheats. So might as well get behind the guy who cheats on behalf of you - or at least against your enemies.
Anybody who worked in Manhattan from 1980 onwards knew exactly what kind of a person Donald Trump is. He is loathed in Manhattan, and held in utter contempt as a gutter parvenu. When Donald Trump actually won the GOP primary, there was a massive "clack" sound coming from New York as over 1 million jaws dropped and hit the table at the same time. That changed to a groan when he actually won the election through the electoral college.
The people that know Donald Trump despise him. The only people that do not despise him are people that do not know him.
I know Trump is a cheater and a liar but I really can't believe he was smart enough to hatch the "red mirage" strategy. It did work as predicted. He did have the lead before the mail-ins were counted. And it gave him the opportunity to question the results and make people uneasy that there were valid reasons that the election did not go as it should have. I get that. But I really don't think Trump is knowledgeable enough about how elections work to have planned this. Obviously, there are a lot of people in his cabal who could dream these kinds of things up but I hate seeing Trump get the credit for it. He's not focused, intuitive, or creative enough to have come up with this scheme, or any other one for that matter.
My take is that he listens to the advisors who tell him what he wants to hear. So whether he's smart enough isn't necessarily in question. He's a malignant narcissist who likes to be flattered and told how smart he is which makes him malleable, which is also why Putin flattered him and he 'got along' so well with Kim Jong Un. I would imagine they figured out pretty quickly how easily he could be manipulated with a little flattery. His mistake was believing and running with the cockamamie advice he got from those who gave him a plan that kept him from having to publicly admit he's a loser. And now he's doubling down on it even though he's beginning to realize (but not yet accept) that he's most likely going to end up in prison for it. I guess this is a rather simplistic take on things but his narcissism is certainly a factor.
Steve Bannon, Roger Stone , Rudy Giuliano and Tom Fitton are all involved and there are probably others that participated ! I want ALL of them held responsible!
hippiechick, I have been asking myself since before the election who came up with all these wonderful strategies attempting to assure Trump would win the election. I believe he is capable of doing such things but I just do not believe he is smart enough to develop such a plan. Who and how many of them concocted this entire course of events?
They knew the polls looked bad before Election Day. DJT didn’t need all the details of the plan until it was time for him to make phone calls; lean on legislators or rile up his base. Stone had the essence of the way forward: Declare victory and move on. I’m certain between the campaign & experienced dirty tricksters like Stone, it wasn’t hard to put the pieces together. Declaring victory is fairly simple as is saying votes shouldn’t be counted after Election Day. His pollsters & campaign advisors would fill in any details.
The fake electors took coordination. He had legislators (likely Mark Meadows) & attorneys (like Eastman) working on it. Peter Navarro was interviewed by Ari Melber and explained it as the “Green Bay Sweep” relying on Pence to be quarterback. In his book he says DJT supported the plan as did more than 100 members of Congress. (Navarro’s trial was scheduled Sept 5th re: not responding to the January 6 Committee’s subpoena.)
Giuliani & friends did the voter machine/fundraising piece with other organizations supporting them. He sometimes admitted in court (while saying otherwise in public) his cases were not about fraud. That’s turning out to be very costly for the attorneys. All of the pieces fed news cycles & social media where tons of $$ is made from conspiracy theories.
-As he told DOJ (which refused)- “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”
Ann Stone, thank you for your response. I find the entire plan and execution of the it very scary. The name Roger Stone, among others, causes my skin to crawl.
He didn't hatch it. He is like Venus/Aphrodite rising fully formed from the sea. We have to look behind the curtain. We have to ask, who provided the engine that drove the 2016 campaign staff. I've read that in 2015 he didn't have an organization capable of running a presidential campaign. Even he didn't think he would actually be running.
Thanks to all the free publicity he received on all the cable channels including CNN and MSNBC he was ignited to the lead during the whole Hillary's bad Benghazi and email farce. And now it's happening again! You never hear about all the accomplishments of Biden, but you hear about Trump every blessed day!
I would like at least a Biden-filled day and many many Trump-free days in the future.
This very thing is why I stopped watching "mainstream" media years ago. All the major news outlets are owned and operated by old, white supremacist billionaires who are only interested in what sells. Reporting on Biden's good works don't make them any money. Endlessly reporting on every stupid thing Trump says and does makes them lots of money. Journalists and news outlets did not know how to handle Trump. No politician in recent memory (or maybe ever) was such a blatant liar. At first they tried to frame his lies as a valid, alternative view. Nobody even attempted to challenge or fact check him. They were terrified of calling a sitting president a liar even though it was very clear that he was one. During the Covid outbreak they gave him a free platform to disseminate the most dangerous advice day after day and never once stopped him but accept none of the blame for people's deaths due to mind-blowingly wrong advice. They treated his behavior as if it was normal. They helped to create the monster that is Trump all in the pursuit of money. They will continue to fill the airways with his insane speeches and deeds not caring about the repercussions as long as it sells.
I think Roger Stone hatched the idea.
Trump hired the “best” criminals. Meaning only the those with the most non-existent ethical or moral codes. He fired anyone around him that would put our country’s laws and best interests above his own personal gain.
It doesn't really matter how the plan was hatched. (I tend to agree with you that Trump is incapable of it on his own accord.) Regardless, he fraudulently touted and enacted the plan and for that we absolutely want him to get the credit.
It matters because of which rocks we need to turn over.
Excellent analysis, thank you. So many people belong in prison. Hopefully Mr. Smith has the goods on all of them.
I’m of a mind that he will start with Trump or just Trump and Eastman or possibly Clark. Then we’ll get to anyone else later.
trump is definitely a good place to start. Thank you.
They may have to build a new prison to hold them all.
That would be our tax dollars well spent.
Yeah, one with no amenities...build it in Alabama with no A/C!
This was an excellent compilation of everything that occurred before during and after the 2020 election. Thank you for bring it all together!
I’m glad TFFG and his followers are brazen enough to keep audio and video records of themselves breaking the law! Hopefully they will all be arrested, charged and imprisoned — including TFFG — for a very long time!
Here’s to hoping Jack Smith can make those charges stick. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
We don’t know if he is actually going to charge this yet. But if he does, I agree!
Of course it was. If you can’t win, then cheat.
Yes. First pound the facts, then pound the law then pound the table
Trump and his cronies only know how to win by cheating. Trump has done it his whole life. It backfired on them though with the special elections for the GA Senate when Warnock and Ossoff won.
Hopefully they get Lindsey Graham and Mark Meadows.
I’m dubious they will get Graham. Not beyond a reasonable doubt. Too many ways for him to explain away what he tried to do. Meadows is likely cooperating in some way, but we don’t really know for sure.
Wasn't Tubberman at all those "war room" meetings? Why hasn't anyone zeroed in on him, and how he continues to actively work against the US by holding up all the essential military promotions?
This is all very interesting - and it begs the question of how "stopping the count" was condoned by the SCOTUS in Florida in 2020? What a different, and better, world we'd all be living in if the completed vote count had given Florida to Gore, rather than the SCOTUS truncating the count and giving it to Bush!
It actually had to do with some of the very same things being discussed here: The Electoral Count Act. The Supreme Court said the counting had to be completed by the Safe Harbor deadline or the votes may not count.
Sorry, meant 2000, not 2020...
Hi, Chuck, You can change it to 2000 in your previous post by clicking on the three dots to the right of Reply then choose Edit. Then you can delete this correction if you wish.